Abduction Digest, Number 85 Thursday, February 4th 1993 (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: Ideas... Abduction Investigation (2) Re: Abduction Digest 81 Delaware Talk Re: Abduction Digest 81 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Gresser@f100.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Gresser) Subject: Ideas... Date: 3 Feb 93 00:49:00 GMT > occurred to show this in progress. I also noted that at times some of > the victims reported a fluid left behind but it often disappeared or > washed off and was not retrieved. Considering the allegations regarding the conduct of these aliens, could we not assume that what is left behind is semen, or even alien semen? If it is in fact the alien equivilant of semen, THAT would be quite a catch! We'd be able to examine, if not them directly, thier genetic makeup (assuming they have one!) and thier primary fluidic makeup (if not water or some water-like substance). Do the descriptions of this fluid become in any way explicit? Thanks, Steve -- Steve Gresser - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Gresser@f100.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs) Subject: Abduction Investigation (2) Date: 3 Feb 93 06:42:06 GMT Sheldon, Although it is impossible to tell exactly what has happened to this woman, it does sound like she has been through the mill. You have done a good job in obtaining some of the more dramatic and perhaps terrifying incidents in her life that she consciously remembers. My best guess is that there is probably much more. Her medical history is useful, especially her ear and nose bleeds, gynecological problems, and other unusual medical sequelae. Being sexually abused probably mirrors the society and one must be very careful not to place too much emphasis on this as a causative factor for the other events. What have you decided to do in the future? Are you going forward with hypnosis? Do you have a competent hypnotist who thoroughly understands the abduction phenomenon? The woman might also need psychological counseling and a good therapist is always essential in this regard. So far, you seem to be on top of the situation and I hope that the woman can have a satisfactory resolution to her problems. Please keep me posted about what is happening with her. If you drop me a line, I might be able to send you the name of a therapist or hypnotist in your area (if there is anyone) who is at least interested in the subject, if not expert in it. -- David Jacobs - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs) Subject: Re: Abduction Digest 81 Date: 3 Feb 93 07:19:19 GMT David, One does not enter into UFO or abduction research for the money. Anyone who has been in it for any length of time will tell you that. The amount of money that both Budd Hopkins and I have have spent in out-of-pocket expenses is enormous. Until very recently there has been absolutely no funding for any aspect of UFO research from established funding institutions. This is a "negative cash flow" research enterprise. Having been involved with this for over twenty-seven years, I can absolutely tell you that only the naive and\or cynical think that there is a living to be made in UFO research, Strieber notwithstanding. I fail to understand why you find it curious that the only way you can find out about UFOs or abductions is through books and magazines. UFO researchers have had the normal channels of scholarly communication closed off to them from the beginning. They have been forced to write articles for periodicals founded for that purpose. I am not sure, however, exactly what your stance is. Should we not write articles and books? Should we keep our information to ourselves and not share it with other researchers? Should we not attend UFO conferences and give papers? I am not sure what you have in mind, or what you find objectionable. Budd and I have written four books between us about the UFO and abduction phenomenon. It is an effective and lasting way of making the public aware of this most important of all phenomena. The Linda case is enormously complex. Articles cannot do it justice, only a full-length book will. In spite of this, Budd has given various talks about the case and published several articles about it. I am not going to get into a long treatise about the Linda case. Suffice it to say that all researchers in the social sciences publish books and write articles about their work. There is no difference with this area. Both Budd and I do our own hypnosis of abductees. In my opinion, this is a very difficult and specialized area of research. I know that I find myself consulting with psychiatrists, psychologists, clinical social workers, and hypnotherapists from around the country on a regular basis. Basically, they have someone whom they have been seeing who tells them of abduction phenomena that has happened to them. They are at a loss as to how to proceed and want to learn about the problems of abduction research and therapy, the proper methods of hypnosis, and the like. Budd and I along with John Carpenter have been conducting workshops for therapists for the same reasons (next one in Atlanta). I have found a wide spectrum of expertize and competence in this area and it does not matter what the profession of the researcher or hypnotist is. We have found entirely incompetent psychiatrists and excellent hypnotherapists. We have found inept psychologists and extremely helpful and sincere UFO researchers who want to help. Thus one's profession is not a good predictor of how one will fare with this subject. -- David Jacobs - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs) Subject: Delaware Talk Date: 3 Feb 93 07:28:04 GMT Trying to obtain an abduction on videotape has proved to be frustrating. I and other researchers have found the same problem: wires pulled out, camera turned off, power outage in the room or house, and the like. The best idea that I have heard so far, short of aiming a camera into unsuspecting abductee's bedroom from a nearby house or apartment, is to build a device in which a video camera and\or VCR is connected to a pressure plate underneath one's mattress. When a person gets out of bed the pressure plate completes a circuit which is attached to a five minute timer. After five minutes, the video camera is turned on in the record mode. Thus we may not get the beginning of the abduction but we may get the end. There will be no electronic equipment on during the abduction phase, and if the person gets up to go to the bathroom, there will be enough time to get back into bed without tripping the camera. -- David Jacobs - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs) Subject: Re: Abduction Digest 81 Date: 3 Feb 93 07:19:19 GMT David, One does not enter into UFO or abduction research for the money. Anyone who has been in it for any length of time will tell you that. The amount of money that both Budd Hopkins and I have have spent in out-of-pocket expenses is enormous. Until very recently there has been absolutely no funding for any aspect of UFO research from established funding institutions. This is a "negative cash flow" research enterprise. Having been involved with this for over twenty-seven years, I can absolutely tell you that only the naive and\or cynical think that there is a living to be made in UFO research, Strieber notwithstanding. I fail to understand why you find it curious that the only way you can find out about UFOs or abductions is through books and magazines. UFO researchers have had the normal channels of scholarly communication closed off to them from the beginning. They have been forced to write articles for periodicals founded for that purpose. I am not sure, however, exactly what your stance is. Should we not write articles and books? Should we keep our information to ourselves and not share it with other researchers? Should we not attend UFO conferences and give papers? I am not sure what you have in mind, or what you find objectionable. Budd and I have written four books between us about the UFO and abduction phenomenon. It is an effective and lasting way of making the public aware of this most important of all phenomena. The Linda case is enormously complex. Articles cannot do it justice, only a full-length book will. In spite of this, Budd has given various talks about the case and published several articles about it. I am not going to get into a long treatise about the Linda case. Suffice it to say that all researchers in the social sciences publish books and write articles about their work. There is no difference with this area. Both Budd and I do our own hypnosis of abductees. In my opinion, this is a very difficult and specialized area of research. I know that I find myself consulting with psychiatrists, psychologists, clinical social workers, and hypnotherapists from around the country on a regular basis. Basically, they have someone whom they have been seeing who tells them of abduction phenomena that has happened to them. They are at a loss as to how to proceed and want to learn about the problems of abduction research and therapy, the proper methods of hypnosis, and the like. Budd and I along with John Carpenter have been conducting workshops for therapists for the same reasons (next one in Atlanta). I have found a wide spectrum of expertize and competence in this area and it does not matter what the profession of the researcher or hypnotist is. We have found entirely incompetent psychiatrists and excellent hypnotherapists. We have found inept psychologists and extremely helpful and sincere UFO researchers who want to help. Thus one's profession is not a good predictor of how one will fare with this subject. -- David Jacobs - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG ******************************************************************************* Submissions abduct@scicom.alphacdc.com Administrative requests abduct-request@scicom.alphacdc.com FTP archive grind.isca.uiowa.edu:/info/paranet/abduct Permission to distribute Michael.Corbin@paranet.org Private mail to Paranet/Fidonet users firstname.lastname@paranet.org UUCP gateway {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom ********************End**of**the**Abduction**Newsletter************************