Abduction Digest, Number 87 Monday, February 22nd 1993 (C) Copyright 1993 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: Abduction Investigation ( Implants New Abduction/Abuse Abduction Investigation ( Implants New Implants New Abductions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs) Subject: Abduction Investigation ( Date: 16 Feb 93 06:37:50 GMT Sheldon, Estimates of the percentage of sexually abused children in the United States ranges from about 25% to about 40%. Basically, nobody really knows the extent of the problem. I have found several of the people with whom I have worked to have been sexually abused as children. Most others have not been. I would imagine that the number of abductees who have suffered abuse probably mirrors the population as a whole. The subject is complicated, however, by the fact that some abductees feel that they have been sexually abused as a child (usually a one-shot, vague remembrance) that turns out to be an abduction event. In other words, the sexual abuse is a screen memory for the abduction event. We are making good headway in training therapists and others in how to do regressive hypnosis of abductees and I might have someone for you in Oregon. In the meantime, I will be happy to talk with anyone with whom you would like to look into your friend's situation. A conference call is fine, or the therapist could just call me directly. Any way you want to arrange it is fine with me. Thanks for the kind words. I have been involved with UFO research since 1965 and I have never experienced a more contentious period. I have also never seen so many mean-spirited critics before. So, it is nice to hear some supportive sentiments for a change. Thanks again. -- David Jacobs - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince.Johnson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Vince Johnson) Subject: Implants Date: 17 Feb 93 17:54:00 GMT Could you describe the implants that are reportedly being studied at MIT (or verify that this is indeed occuring)? Have any pinkish, 1mm (along the major axis) hollow, egg-shaped objects been recovered and/or analyzed? Regards, Vince -- Vince Johnson - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Vince.Johnson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anson.Kennedy@p0.f25.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Anson Kennedy) Subject: New Date: 18 Feb 93 03:39:00 GMT In a message to Bill Skiles you said (in part): > the second was in Los Angeles. The third workshop > will be at the end of March in Atlanta. Perhaps some > people will come up from Florida for that one. > Incidentally, John Mack will join us for the upcoming > workshop. Where in Atlanta will this be held? And how does one get invited? I would be very interested in attending if possible. --- Anson -- Anson Kennedy - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Anson.Kennedy@p0.f25.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: Abduction/Abuse Date: 18 Feb 93 04:27:00 GMT DJ>Estimates of the percentage of sexually abused children in the United DJ>States ranges from about 25% to about 40%. Basically, nobody really knows DJ>the extent of the problem. If the 25%-40% figure is based on individuals that have _admitted_ sexual abuse, the actual percentage is probably much higher. I am assuming this data was obtained from a poll of some sort or data gleaned from physicians and psychologists? Not ALL people would _want_ to confess to being abused, while others, may have repressed the experience to the point of being _unaware_ themselves. DJ>I have found several of the people with whom I DJ>have worked to have been sexually abused as children. I would think, according to the aforementioned statistics, that significantly more than "several" of your people have been sexually abused. I don't know how many people you have worked with, but let us say for argument's sake... 200 or so. If 25%-40% (according to your estimate) were abused, we are talking about 50-80 individuals.... significantly greater than _several_! DJ> Most others have not been . IF, on the other hand, the actual number of abuse cases IS merely "several", than you have uncovered something rather significant. Why would a random sampling of individuals claiming abduction, contain a very small percentage of abuse victims. By your term "several", am I safe to assume less than 5% have been abused? DJ>In other words, the sexual abuse is a screen memory DJ>for the abduction event. Or... some psychologists might state the inverse! DJ>We are making good headway in training therapists and others in how to DJ>do regressive hypnosis of abductees and I might have someone for you in DJ>Oregon. Can you provide me with contact information? I have heard of Ida Kannenberg in Eugene... via Leo Sprinkle. DJ>In the meantime, I will be happy to talk with anyone with whom DJ>you would like to look into your friend's situation. A conference DJ>call is fine, or the therapist could just call me directly. DJ>Any way you want to arrange it is fine with me. Is your office phone # still 215-836-5997? Also are there any times that are better in attempting to reach you? DJ>Thanks for the kind words. ... it is DJ>nice to hear some supportive sentiments for a change. You deserve them... It is only through the dedication of individuals such as yourself, that we shall eventually discover the true meaning of all this... whatever it may be. --Sheldon * OLX 2.1 TD * 1:115/887.2 (708)-887-7687 -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil.Koliske@f8.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Phil Koliske) Subject: Abduction Investigation ( Date: 20 Feb 93 04:11:48 GMT DJ>Sheldon, DJ> Although it is impossible to tell exactly what has happened to this DJ>woman, it does sound like she has been through the mill. You have done a DJ>good job in obtaining some of the more dramatic and perhaps terrifying DJ>incidents in her life that she consciously remembers. My best guess is DJ>there is probably much more. Her medical history is useful, especially he DJ>ear and nose bleeds, gynecological problems, and other unusual medical DJ>sequelae. Being sexually abused probably mirrors the society and one must DJ>be very careful not to place too much emphasis on this as a causative fact DJ>for the other events. What have you decided to do in the future? Are you DJ>going forward with hypnosis? Do you have a competent hypnotist who DJ>thoroughly understands the abduction phenomenon? The woman might also nee DJ>psychological counseling and a good therapist is always essential in this DJ>regard. DJ> So far, you seem to be on top of the situation and I hope that the DJ>woman can have a satisfactory resolution to her problems. Please keep me DJ>posted about what is happening with her. If you drop me a line, I might be DJ>able to send you the name of a therapist or hypnotist in your area (if the DJ>is anyone) who is at least interested in the subject, if not expert in it. Hi: I was reading your mail and was wondering if you could put me in touch with a local person (group)?..that specializes in abduction cases? I was looking into it because after reading a few books and reading this last case it has raised questions that I may have been a victim of an abduction when I was young.....I feel silly about doing this ..but There are too many questions about my childhood that need to be addressed. Thank .....PHIL [ Phoenix, Az.] -- Phil Koliske - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Phil.Koliske@f8.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs) Subject: Implants Date: 20 Feb 93 06:04:28 GMT An analysis of an implant was conducted by a person connected with MIT. it was not of the variety that you described. The conclusion that he came to was that it was inconclusive. However, it did not seem metallic, as memory serves me. I am being a little bit not forthcoming here because I believe that he will have a piece about it in the upcoming proceedings of the MIT conference and I don't want to steal his thunder. -- David Jacobs - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs) Subject: New Date: 20 Feb 93 06:12:06 GMT The invitations are being sent out to Mental Health Professionals exclusively. They are being handled through the Robert Bigelow Foundation in Las Vegas, Nevada. Robert Bigelow is supporting the endeavor. Right now I can give you no information other than what I have said. I do not even know where in Atlanta the event will be held. I can probably provide that information as we get closer to the date. -- David Jacobs - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince.Johnson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Vince Johnson) Subject: Implants Date: 20 Feb 93 17:53:00 GMT > An analysis of an implant was conducted by a person >connected with MIT. it was not of the variety that you >described. The conclusion that he came to was that it was >inconclusive. However, it did not seem metallic, as memory >serves me. I am being a little bit not forthcoming here >because I believe that he will have a piece about it in the >upcoming proceedings of the MIT conference and I don't want to >steal his thunder. > * Origin: ParaNet * Delta-Alpha * Philadelphia PA >(9:1010/21.0) >202/502 812 >2405/666 Do you know when the MIT report will be published? I've heard it's to be 1000 pages long. Regards, Vince -- Vince Johnson - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Vince.Johnson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen) Subject: New Date: 20 Feb 93 16:59:00 GMT * Replying to a message originally to David Jacobs BS> Hi David, BS> BS> What's new in the abduction research field? When last we BS> talked you stated that you were involved with going around BS> the country and helping others to learn about regressive BS> techniques as well as educate them on abductions and how to BS> help treat those that may have had these experiences. How BS> is the information going? Are other professionals becoming BS> aware now, are they getting involved. Anyone here in BS> Florida. BS> BS> As you know I have my own experiences and am sort of BS> waiting until there is someone that knows something in this BS> area (Florida) before I pursue any further. BS> BS> I have been away for several months and was just wondering. BS> BS> Thank you for your time, Bill BS> BS> --- WMail 2.3/demo Bill, give me call at the International UFO Center in Orlando, FL at 407-351-4306. I might be able to help you. 73's ---Jim--- -- Jim Greenen - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen) Subject: Abductions Date: 20 Feb 93 17:11:01 GMT David, I have acouple of very interesting cases going on in Frida and would like to contact you by mail if possible. One involves a 5 month missing time and another is involves a 61 yr old lady that has had some unusal experiences since she was 13 yrs. old. She is now under going regressive hypnosis by a very well train and professional person in this field. Is there a address that I can reach you at? 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