Abduction Digest, Number 88 Thursday, March 11th 1993 (C) Copyright 1993 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: Implants New New Abductions Fire in the Sky Fire In The Sky Re: FIRE IN THE SKY Re: Fire In The Sky Abductions Database Houston Mass Abduction Abductor Abductor Fire in the Sky ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs) Subject: Implants Date: 20 Feb 93 05:04:28 GMT An analysis of an implant was conducted by a person connected with MIT. it was not of the variety that you described. The conclusion that he came to was that it was inconclusive. However, it did not seem metallic, as memory serves me. I am being a little bit not forthcoming here because I believe that he will have a piece about it in the upcoming proceedings of the MIT conference and I don't want to steal his thunder. -- David Jacobs - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs) Subject: New Date: 20 Feb 93 05:12:06 GMT The invitations are being sent out to Mental Health Professionals exclusively. They are being handled through the Robert Bigelow Foundation in Las Vegas, Nevada. Robert Bigelow is supporting the endeavor. Right now I can give you no information other than what I have said. I do not even know where in Atlanta the event will be held. I can probably provide that information as we get closer to the date. -- David Jacobs - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen) Subject: New Date: 20 Feb 93 15:59:00 GMT * Replying to a message originally to David Jacobs BS> Hi David, BS> BS> What's new in the abduction research field? When last we BS> talked you stated that you were involved with going around BS> the country and helping others to learn about regressive BS> techniques as well as educate them on abductions and how to BS> help treat those that may have had these experiences. How BS> is the information going? Are other professionals becoming BS> aware now, are they getting involved. Anyone here in BS> Florida. BS> BS> As you know I have my own experiences and am sort of BS> waiting until there is someone that knows something in this BS> area (Florida) before I pursue any further. BS> BS> I have been away for several months and was just wondering. BS> BS> Thank you for your time, Bill BS> BS> --- WMail 2.3/demo Bill, give me call at the International UFO Center in Orlando, FL at 407-351-4306. I might be able to help you. 73's ---Jim--- -- Jim Greenen - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen) Subject: Abductions Date: 20 Feb 93 16:11:01 GMT David, I have acouple of very interesting cases going on in Frida and would like to contact you by mail if possible. One involves a 5 month missing time and another is involves a 61 yr old lady that has had some unusal experiences since she was 13 yrs. old. She is now under going regressive hypnosis by a very well train and professional person in this field. Is there a address that I can reach you at? Jim Greenen----- International UFO Center, Orlando Florida -- Jim Greenen - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jake,.Smith@p0.f26.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jake, Smith) Subject: Fire in the Sky Date: 24 Feb 93 19:17:00 GMT Is the story presented in the new movie "Fire in the Sky" crediatable? The preview for it scared the shit out of me, even though I am not a beilever in UFos for the technical walls that would be hard for aleins to gap and the reason for keeping their exinstince a secret. But that doesn't mean it doesn't make me pull the covers up a little higher. HEHE Jake, Smith (ACE) -- Jake, Smith - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jake,.Smith@p0.f26.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Fire In The Sky Date: 26 Feb 93 07:43:00 GMT Jake, Smith writes: > Is the story presented in the new movie "Fire in the Sky" crediatable? > The preview for it scared the shit out of me, even though I > am not a beilever in UFos for the technical walls that > would be hard for aleins to gap and the > reason for keeping their exinstince a secret. But that doesn't mean > it doesn't make me pull the covers up a little higher. HEHE > Jake, Smith (ACE) Jake: This movie is based on the Travis Walton abduction case. Tracy Torme has been working on this project for *years* and now it's finally going to hit the big screen. Unsolved Mysteries did a story on this case about a year ago. The outstanding aspect about the Travis Walton case is that it involved an abduction that was actually *witnessed* by about 4 or 5 of Walton's fellow workers. (I think they were lumberjacks.) The drawback to this case has always been that the National Enquirer made him take a "lie detector" test, which he flunked. Polygraphs don't really detect lies anyway. Ever since _Frye vs. U.S._ the courts haven't given them much credence. Walton claimed that the polygraph results were skewed by the fact that he was badly shaken up as a result of the abduction, which, as I recall, was a 2 or 3 - day event. Anyway, he passed a subsequent polygraph, but by then, the Enquirer had cooled on the story. Just as well, eh? A blessing in disguise! So now we get to see the full story with all the scary details. Can't wait! -- John -- John Burke - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: FIRE IN THE SKY Date: 28 Feb 93 16:52:54 GMT As for the polygraph tests. All five who saw him get out of the truck and approach the UFO, passed. None saw him abducted, they fled before that would have happened. As for Travis, he Flunked, passed, refused, and refused again right before the last scheduled test. I've never seen the actual questions, but the research I have seen says the five others we tested because the police thought they might have harmed Walton. The first three of only four questions were about whether they murdered or harmed TW. The last question was asking if they saw a bright light or UFO. In other words, they all believed that they saw a UFO, but none saw him abducted. If you watch TV you won't see the part about Walton being a UFO buff, and wanting to get picked up. Or that he stated beofre, that if abducted he would like to convince the aliens to go get his brother also, so he too could experience the event. His family was not upset or worried, according to some reports, and before the event he had told them not to woory if he was ever abducted. I don't remember the details of the contract, I read that years ago, but it appears that they were behind and were subject to a penalty if not completed on schedule. This event would fit the clause which could have saved the monetary penalty. So the bright light was witnessed by six people, and the abduction was only the one person. Travis Walton. Those who have claimed in the past that he isn't making any money on this, might reconsider. Book, TV, interviews, and now a movie? I have serious doubts. -- Pete Porro - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Re: Fire In The Sky Date: 4 Mar 93 06:23:00 GMT Pete Porro writes: > . . . None saw him > abducted, they fled before that would have happened. Ah-ha! So we *still* don't have any cases where an abduction was witnessed by anyone "on the ground". > * * * > If you watch TV you won't see the part about Walton being a > UFO buff, and wanting to get picked up. Or that he stated > beofre, that if abducted he would like to convince the > aliens to go get his brother also, so he too could > experience the event. His family was not upset or worried, > according to some reports, and before the event he had told > them not to woory if he was ever abducted. Interesting ... I remember reading something similar about Valentech. I think his girlfriend was quoted as saying that he always wanted to be abducted by a UFO. -- John -- John Burke - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield) Subject: Abductions Date: 8 Feb 93 04:36:00 GMT I noted, with interest, mention of Baker's work on possible alternate explanations for abductions. Over the years, I have found it very useful to have explored material on a number of subjects, which appear to impact on abduction research. While I am not proposing that these areas explain abductions, I believe they may yield some avenues:- 1. Hypnagogic and hypnopompic imagery-as "real as real" imagery which can be very complex, on the boundary of sleep/awake. 2. The "Old Hag" phenomena-read: " The Terror that Comes in the NIght" by David J Hufford, 1982, Uni of Pennsylvania press. People who awake with the sense of paralysis and possibly a sense of something in their room. Hufford presented a fascinating paper at the Boston abduction conference. 3. Incubus and sucubus-demons who come during the night and sit on your chest, and may indulge in sexual relations. Way back in the middle ages, but reports continue right to this day. Both 2 and 3 are reported by people outside of the sphere of UFOs and abductions, yet have some of the same symptoms. 4. Past life regression material, accounts gained under hypnosis which appear to derive solely from the imagination/memory of the individual. 5. Near-death experiences. Read the works of US Psychologist Kenneth Ring, particularly his new book "The Omega Factor. 6. The works of Canadian brain researcher Michael Persinger om epilepsy and paranormal events. In one paper he reported "curing" a person with visitor experiences by the use of an anti-epilepsy drug. I believe more wide spread cross-subject research may well help us tackle abduction research. I would be happy to suggest reading material on the above areas to anyone who asks. -- Keith Basterfield - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield) Subject: Database Date: 8 Mar 93 04:30:00 GMT Some time ago I saw a posting here advising of a call for people to send all their abduction events to a central database (to be run by MUFON/Hopkins/Jacobs). Does anyone know if this has gotten off the ground? -- Keith Basterfield - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vince.Johnson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Vince Johnson) Subject: Houston Mass Abduction Date: 7 Mar 93 19:34:00 GMT The following file is courtesy of HUFON Report, the newsletter of the Houston UFO Network. For more information call (713) 850-1352. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (See related graphic file HUFONABD.GIF) The Mass Abduction Event of December 8, 1992 by Dale Musser Note: In the following report, the term "alien(s)" is used generically to denote the abducting entities, and does not presuppose an extraterrestrial origin. In late summer of 1992, Derrel Sims, chief abductions investigator for HUFON (Houston UFO Network) implemented a plan to establish communications with alien abductors. This was to be accomplished by means of hypnotic suggestions implanted in the subconscious minds of several subjects with multiple abduction histories. The intent being, if any of these subjects were abducted again, the hypnotic suggestions would allow the individuals to gather data and/or establish more positive contact with the aliens. In November of 1992, subject DS92007PH was abducted. The subject maintained conscious memory for a fair amount of time into the abduction before the aliens were able to "zap" the subject (place the subject in a mental state where they no longer have conscious memories of the event). At the beginning of the abduction, the subject was able to communicate with the aliens, although they did not appear to be terribly inclined to communicate or reveal much information. As the aliens were completing their preparations for their examination, the subject felt herself losing mental control. The aliens began to reinforce their efforts to "zap" her. In one last effort to maintain consciousness and communication as long as possible she blurted out "We know what your doing... we know about..." (subject still under investigation). This statement seemed to evoke a reaction on the part of the aliens and appears to have predicated the events that follow. Starting December 8, 1992, just prior to the HUFON meeting "Alien Abductions: Working with Abductees," several of the subjects on the panel were reabducted. These abductions were not realized at the time, but over the next few days, many of the abductees began suffering PAS (Post Abduction Syndrome). At this time the abductees were not in communication with each other. Subject DS92002DM reported that he had experienced a dream or possible flashback of an earlier abduction When he began having PAS and other physical manifestations that accompanied his earlier abductions, it became obvious to him that an abduction had taken place. Subjects DM92003JA, DS92034LC & DS92017RP also reported dreams with possible abduction signs. In addition a number of the abductees reported having nose bleeds and/or sinus pains. On Thursday, December 10th, at the monthly HUFON meeting, a number of the abductees were questioned by the audience about their experiences. Although most of the abductees were very uncomfortable and felt that they "...shouldn't be talking about (their) abductions," the meeting went quite well. On Friday morning, December 11, many of the abductees (most of whom were on the panel the night before), awoke to find they had nose bleeds during the night. Almost all had sinus pains and within a day or two almost all had head colds and flu like symptoms. Subject DS92009LT awoke on the 11th with an irritation in one eye. While rubbing her eye, a small object (about the size of a mustard seed) came out of her eye. The subject called Derrel Sims and turned the object over to him. This object has been photographed and is currently undergoing analysis. The object appears to be made out of a flesh-colored plastic. It is somewhat egg-shaped (with the narrow end open) and is hollow inside. On the same day, subject DS92002DM awoke to discover he had a nose bleed (the first in over 20 years). He also called Derrel Sims to make immediate arrangements for a hypnosis session. On Sunday, December 20, 1992, DS92002DM was regressed hypnotically to his latest encounter with aliens. The event occurred the night of December 10, the night of the HUFON meeting. Some time after the subject went to sleep for the night, he was awakened by aliens in his bedroom who, in a very quick procedure, removed a nasal implant from the subject and immediately left (later under hypnosis a number of other abductees reported similar events). Mr. Sims then regressed the subject to the next earliest abduction (December 8). On December 8, subject DS92002DM awoke and observed a bright flash of light (there was no sound of thunder following). The subject rolled over and noticed a small gray alien "wearing a harness/utility belt." The subject was instructed to follow the alien outside, where a blue/white light was shining on a spot on the ground. The subject was instructed to stand in the light, and an instant later, found himself in a large circular room (about the size of a high school gymnasium). The subject was instructed to disrobe and led out of the room and through a series of corridors and passageways. Part of the time they walked but mostly they were transported by a means unknown by the subject (floated or on a conveyor). Eventually, they arrived at a small room where several other aliens were present. A quick physical examination was given and then a human- appearing individual entered the room (the subject in prior abductions had never encountered a human). The human asked several questions as to how/why the abductee knew he had been abducted before. The subject was also asked how abductees knew/found out about other abductees and why were they meeting together. A model of the human brain was shown to the subject and he was asked to indicate where the "subconscious mind was located." When the subject was unable to indicate a location, he received a mental image of another abductee (DS92007PH) in a state of suspended animation and had the impression she was being asked the same questions. The human then left the room and the subject was moved to another room. This room appeared to be some type of meeting or conference room. It also was round, but the lighting and the furnishings were quite different. A number of different alien life forms entered the room, the last being the one with human appearance. The small grey aliens left the room but two of the taller brown aliens stayed. (The description of the other life forms is being withheld pending further investigation). The subject was again questioned as to the nature of the subconscious mind and to his knowledge of his abductions and other abductees. After each question the subject received images of other abductees. He could see them in a room together. They were all nude and seemed to be unaware of the presence of each other. Each seemed to be in a halucinative state and behaved as if acting out a part. He sensed that the other abductees were being "accessed" by the aliens by some means and were being asked many of the same questions as himself. The subject also sensed DS92007PH, who was in a different location from himself and from the other abductees. He could "feel" the aliens trying to "access" her mind to retrieve information. A debate seemed to be taking place among the aliens as to whether the "experiment/project" should be allowed to continue or if it had been compromised by the recent events (abductees knowing of their abductions and meeting together). Accusations were made about "improper procedures being followed by the "Grays" and "Browns." At one point, when DS92002DM "sensed/saw" the other abductees as they were being accessed by the aliens, he had the thought that the other abductees "don't know there are others there." This thought caught the attention of the human who seemed surprised that the subject was picking up on their activities. Immediately, two "Grays" entered the room and took hold of the subject's hands and he was unable to "pick up anything further of the alien thoughts or questioning." At this point another of Derrel Sims' hypnotic suggestions activated itself with the subject with interesting results which we are unable to report at this time as further investigation and experimentation are continuing. One of the more interesting aspects of this case, and one which is being looked into further, pertains to a question asked of subject DS92002DM by the aliens. At one point he was asked what he knew about a government project called "Project Prometheus." Although the subject had no knowledge of such a project, we are researching the matter. As the meeting seemed to be ending, the human asked the subject what he "would like to do," to which the subject responded that he would like to go with them (a suggestion even he finds bizarre). The subject was told that this was "impossible" as he was "contaminated" (the subject did not feel this implied physically). The human then took him into a side room where he was shown a "strange sort of chart or diagram" which he did not understand and was unlike any he'd ever seen before. He then was led by the two "Browns" through several other rooms to another examination room/laboratory where a nasal implant was placed in his nostril (the one later removed). The subject was then given his pajamas, told to dress, and returned to his home and bed. Subjects DS92009LT and DM92003JA were also hypnotized and reported being abducted on December 8, and being in a room with others. Subject DS92034LC had conscious memories of being in the room on that night. All three of these subjects have independently described the room, its appearance, and individuals in the room. All of the subjects' descriptions are similar and details of the room match--including several unique aspects unheard of in other cases. It is interesting to note that all of the abductees in the "group room experiences" perceived events differently although parallel. One believed she had died and was with her dead brother (who had strange eyes). One thought she was with God whose face she couldn't see because of a fog that only allowed her to see his shape. All of the individuals reported themselves and others in the room as being nude. One abductee who felt hungry was told they would be fed was handed silverware as though they were about to be served food. When she was told to look at the silverware under hypnosis, it was not silverware at all but some strange objects she could not identify. Each of the abductees in the "group room experience" seemed to be in a drugged or hallucinative state. This condition seemed to alleviate when they were taken to another room for examinations and nasal and ocular implants. Other abductees also have reported supporting events and experiences. The total number of abductees involved in the event is not known for sure. Great care was taken in the early stages of the investigation to ensure that subjects were unaware of the others' events. It was only after hypnosis, with similar descriptions of events and locations by five different individuals (each unaware of any other abductee reporting anything) that information concerning the event was released. Numerous descriptions and minute details have been deliberately left out of this report, as investigations are still ongoing. The significance of this event cannot be overlooked. It would appear that the implants were deliberately placed in the abductees before the HUFON meeting and removed the day after. Whether the aliens knew about the meeting or had simply implanted the abductees with the intent of monitoring a gathering of abductees is unknown. However, for the first time within the history of the abduction phenomenon, the abductees seem to have captured the attention of the abductors. Although we do not know the outcome of these events we hope that it may lead to a breakthrough in communication, improvement in relationship with the aliens, and an end to abductions and experimentation on unwilling subjects. For more information on HUFON abduction research, contact Derrel Sims at (713) 353-1550, or Patrice Eldrige at (713) 353-3980. End of File -- Vince Johnson - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Vince.Johnson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cyclops.Smith@f27.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Cyclops Smith) Subject: Abductor Date: 9 Mar 93 02:35:26 GMT I've been scanning this Bulletin Board, and have been touched by the stories and antidotes revealed by the silicon locutionists utilizing this service. So touched, in fact, it has inspired me to confess a horrible factoid. The good news for abductees of unidentified FOs is that it's true _ they aren't crazy. They have been sucked up into large crafts and experimented upon. The bad news is that it wasn't an interplanetary intelligence or little green men. It was me, Jake, co-owner of Jake's Slightly Used Buicks (SUBs). In the early 80s (the go-go 80s as some like to call it) we contracted my brother-in-law (who happens to suffer from hemmorhoids, but that's another story) to conduct consumer testing on little old ladies and farmers in the midwest. Normal consumer testing being so time-consuming, we devised an involuntary system whereby we bludgeon the unsuspecting potential consumer with rocks, blackjacks or other handy objects, causing them to see bright lights before passing out. We then stuffed them into our slightly used buicks (SUBs) and monitered the involuntary responses to the imitation leather upholstery against their forearms in order to gauge the market value. We used electrocardioencephalograms as a perfectly harmless methodology process. To make sure they misinterpretedc their experience, we implanted a post-huypnotic suggestion that it was in fact an alien encounter. We're sorry. -- Cyclops Smith - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Cyclops.Smith@f27.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Gresser@f100.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Gresser) Subject: Abductor Date: 10 Mar 93 00:10:00 GMT > I've been scanning this Bulletin Board, and have been touched by the > stories and antidotes revealed by the silicon locutionists utilizing ^^^^^^^^^ I think this says it all - anyone else? -- Steve Gresser - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Gresser@f100.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard.Salts@f28.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Richard Salts) Subject: Fire in the Sky Date: 11 Mar 93 03:08:48 GMT Hello All! Well it seems that the Travis Walton affair is back in the UFO news again and that the book he wrote is going to be reissued. Perhaps the book that SHOULD have been reprinted is the volume written by the late Coral and Jim Lorenzen of what was once the Aerial Phenomena Research Oranization (APRO) called "Abducted--Confrontations With Beings From Outer Space." Barring the rather sensationalistic title given to it by the publisher, Chapter VII therein, "The Walton Affair," is 33 pages of virtual blow-by-blow description by the Lorenzens of the WHOLE Walton incident from start to a kind of semi-finish. Prominent among the dramatis personnae of that case is none other than the Klassmeister himself busy spreading rumors at that time in a attempt to "discredit" the Walton case even then. and I seem to recognize these being repeated in the most recent posts here. The Lorenzens quite ably, IMHO, dispel these suspicions in the book, which, upon my checking with the B. Dalton bookstore chain, told me that nothing exists in print of any Lorenzen work, let alone the above book and I have a copy of this in my present possession. It's an old work, going back to the late '70's when paperbacks were $1.75. That it is out of print is too bad but maybe, if there is some interest on this board, I might ask for copyright permission to have this chapter electronically reproduced and uploaded to this network, and maybe to others, as well so that, though the original book may be out of print, some chapters may survive to be read by interested parties later on as to what ACTUALLY HAPPENED in this case. I said 'semi-finish' above and come to think of it, APRO, and Travis were in preparation for a set of more acceptable 'lie detector' tests as the chapter ends and to this day, nothing more is known as to whatever became of these later efforts. Too bad. Klass goes over the Walton case in his book, "Abductions--The Dangerous Game" but sheds virtually nothing further on what happened next, not that I would trust any account written by him . . . . Rich -- Richard Salts - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Richard.Salts@f28.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG ******************************************************************************* Submissions abduct@scicom.alphacdc.com Administrative requests abduct-request@scicom.alphacdc.com FTP archive grind.isca.uiowa.edu:/info/paranet/abduct Permission to distribute Michael.Corbin@paranet.org Private mail to Paranet/Fidonet users firstname.lastname@paranet.org UUCP gateway {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom ********************End**of**the**Abduction**Newsletter************************