From cn0gr8af@hydra.unm.edu (Student Class Account) Tue Jul 30 14:14:23 1991 Path: aramis.rutgers.edu!rutgers!netnews.upenn.edu!widener!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!pacbell.com!decwrl!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!ariel.unm.edu!hydra.unm.edu!cn0gr8af From: cn0gr8af@hydra.unm.edu (Student Class Account) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Keelynet file, Lazar, DON'T BE DUPED Message-ID: <1991Jul30.181423.6444@ariel.unm.edu> Date: 30 Jul 91 18:14:23 GMT References: <1991Jul20.024709.3080@bilver.uucp> <7898@fallout.uucp> Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 63 I am disappointed that more healthy scepticism cannot be found in this newsgroup. Seldom found is the article that doesn't swallow government coverup of dealings with alien beings hook line and sinker. I would be more than happy to find that alien beings did exist, and that there has been contact wih humans, but there has been no information presented here or anywhere that is not wholly circumstantial. tial. Also, careful reading of material presented as fact here (see discussion of Lazar's talk and the free energy system below) casts considerable doubt on the integrity of their words. As for the "Channelers", I will not even dignify them with a discussion. First, regarding Lazar: He claims that he is a physicist whose job was to reverse engineer a gravita- tional drive system. It was reported to consist of an element that emits a weak gravity wave (element 115), a resonance chamber in which standing gravitational waves are set-up, and a system to amplify those waves. The drives basic function is to warp the space-time geometry between the ship's position and its destination. In review, let me say that gravity waves have been postulated to exist, but have never been observed. (A recent LandSat Photo of the Kuwait Oil fires is claimed to contain ripples showing gravity waves, but they do not fit any picture of gravity waves as proposed so far). In any case, the waves may or may not exist; let us suppose that they do, and that they have wavelengths between that shown in the LandSat photos and that proposed by several popular theories: between a Kilometer or so and lengths of the order of planetary distances. A resonance chamber for such waves would have to enclose distances of half the wavelength. The ship described by Lazar does not contain a device of this size. Also, if the ship is able to warp space-time over large distances, if it like every other warper ever observed in nature, it would create a potential well large enough to suck he earth and its entire atmo- sphere into it. Very unlikely! If you couple this with the fact that Lazar was unable to recall the frequency of the gravity wave which is THE basis for the entire drive system and all its components, his story appears very unlikely. He wasn't able to recall whether the frequency was large or small. Second, look at the paper presented for the "public good". The entire basis for his generator is based on a situation which is completely UNTRUE. In fact, it violates one of Maxwell's equations, and does not work experimentally. The fact that it does not work experimentally puzzled physicists from the early 1800's until around 1880. It was easily explained after Faraday's Law was discovered. The basic idea is that a disk is placed in a magnetic field, oriented so that the field lines are perpendicular to the surface of the conducting disk. It is then claimed that if the disk is spun, a potential will develop between the center of the disk and the outside edge. This is just plain WRONG. While it is true that if a potential is placed across the distance from the center to the outer edge, a current will flow, and the disk will spin, the converse is not true. Only in the case of a varying magnetic field can a potential develop. (Faraday's Law: Curl of E = -dB/dt). This is high school physics! (Well, maybe first year college level). It is claimed that the potential that develops is the same as when the disk is attached to the magnet and spun. I will give him that, but only in that they are both identically ZERO. Well, I'm sure that I have put enough flammable material in his posting. In short, I would love there to be aliens around, but give me concrete proof! Thanks for your time and please DON'T BE DUPED. Rusty PS: mail at jewett@mcnc.org or cn0gr8af@cirt.unm.edu