From: asljl@orion.alaska.edu (Lady-Rhavyn)
Subject: Government and Psi
Date: 1 Dec 94 18:42:50 AST
Organization: University of Alaska
Message-ID: <1994Dec1.184250.1@orion.alaska.edu>


This was sent to me from someone.. sometime ago


I got this from the Fortean Research Center BBS.  Most 
interesting to note is 
that our own Attorney General, Ms. Reno attended.  Who 
knows what treats 
we are in store for as far as domestic crowd & riot control 
goes?

   I received the following brochure from a source who 
wishes to remain 
anonymous along with the instructions to post it on the 
computer networks 
immediately. It concerns an upcoming classified 
Conference at Johns Hopkins 
University on Non-Lethal Technology and is sponsored by 
Los Alamos 
National Laboratory. The featured speakers are to be the 
Nobel Laureate 
physicist, Dr. Edward Teller; the Former Military Advisor 
to President Bush, 
LTG Richard G. Trefry, USA (Ret.), and the current 
Secretary General of the 
United States, Janet Reno. The conference is to be chaired 
by Dr. John 
Alexander, the Program Manager for Non-Lethal Defense, 
Los Alamos 
National Laboratory.

   The brochure itself looks to be authentic and carried no 
indication of being 
in any way classified or restricted (if it is I guess I'll find 
out soon enough).  
If anyone can confirm this event I'd appreciate hearing 
from them.

   Bob Dunn
   P.O. Box 94627
   Lincoln, Ne. 68509
   Fidonet 1:285/205

BEGIN TEXT

NON-LETHAL DEFENSE

a classified Conference sponsored by
Los Alamos National Laboratory

With the support of the American Defense Preparedness 
Association

Kossiakoff Center
Applied Physics Laboratory
Johns Hopkins University, Laurel MD
November 16 - 17, 1993



OBJECTIVE AND SCOPE

Non-lethal defense has emerged as a potent new means 
of applying force 
and giving commanders a wider array of options. The 
purpose of a non-
lethal defense is to inhibit an enemies ability to prosecute 
a war or engage in 
other hostile actions. Non-lethal defense is an approach 
that explores options 
for attacking targets of strategic value, including 
nontraditional foes such as 
terrorists and international drug traffickers.

Non-lethal weapons offer new options to meet rapidly 
changing security 
requirements for the United States. These devices are 
providing for the first 
time a wide range of choices for planners negotiating the 
drastically 
changing security challenges confronting the United 
States.

Non-lethal concepts are currently being developed by th 
U.S. Army, Air 
Force, Navy and Marine Corps. The focus is on providing 
technologies that 
support conventional operations and have applicability 
across the continuum 
of conflict. Many of these techniques are designed to 
degrade the threat 
infrastucture in support of parallel warfare objectives.

Different organizations have different approaches to the 
concept of non-
lethal defense as well as use of different terminology. In 
essence, non-lethal 
defense is an emerging technological option being 
developed conceptionally 
with a sea of technical opportunity.

The purpose of this Conference is to bring together 
industry, government 
and academia to explore the potential of non-lethal 
defense and identify 
requirements so that the defense community can work 
together in 
leveraging the non-lethal concept. Industry, particularly, 
will benefit from a 
more precise understanding of requirements and 
operational constraints 
regarding non-lethal defense technologies. All attendees 
will have the 
opportunity to embrace a new perspective in 
international relations.

The Conference Sessions Are Secret, U.S. Only.


AGENDA

TUESDAY, 16 NOVEMBER 1993

7:00AM  	Registration Opens, Kossiakoff Center
		Exhibits Open

8:30AM  	Welcome & Introductory Remarks
			MG William E. Eicher, USA (Ret.) Vice 
President ADPA.

8:45AM  	Opening Address
			GEN E.C. "Shy" Meyer, USA (Ret.) Former 
Chief of Staff, 
			U.S. Army.

9:15AM  	Non-Lethal Defense Technology
			Dr. John Alexander,  Los Alamos 
National Laboratory

9:45AM  	OSD Perspective
			TBD

10:15AM  	Break

10:45AM  	Peacekeeping & Peace Enforcement 
Operations
			Ms. Sarah Sewell, Deputy Assistant 
Secretary of Defense 
			for Peacekeeping and Peace 
Enforcement

11:15AM  	National Institute of Justice "Less-Than-
Lethal" Program
			Mr. David Boyd, NIJ Director of Research 
& Technology

12:00PM  	Lunch
		Speaker: LTG Richard G. Trefry, USA (Ret.)

1:30PM  	Incremental Aggression: Requirements for the 
Future
			Dr. Dan Goure, Deputy Director, Political-
Military Studies 
			CSIS, and Former Director of 
Competitive Strategies OSD

2:30PM  	Break

3:00 - 5:00PM  	Services & Special Operations 
Perspectives

		- Army
			LTG William H. Forster, USA
			Military Assistant to the Assistant 
Secretary of the Army, 
			(Research, Development, & Acquisition)

		- Navy
			VADM William A. Owens, USN
			Chief of Naval Operations (Resources, 
Warfare 	
			Requirements & Assesments)

		- Air Force
			Maj Gen Kenneth Minihan, USAF
			Commander, Air Force Intelligence 
Command

		- Special Operations
			GEN Carl Stiner, USA (Ret.) (invited)
			Former CINC, Special Operations 
Command

6:00PM  	Reception in the Exhibit Area
		Kossiakoff Center

7:00PM  	Banquet
			Guest Speaker: Dr. Edward Teller









WEDNESDAY, 17 NOVEMBER 1993

7:00AM  	Registration Opens
			Exhibits Open

8:30AM  	Technical Evaluation - Strategies to Tasks
			Dr. David Ochmanek, Deputy Assistant 
Secretary Defense 
		for Strategy

9:00AM  	RF Weapons: A Very Attractive Non-Lethal 
Operation
			Dr. George Baker, Assistant for Program 
Development, 
		Defense Nuclear Agency

9:30AM  	ARPA Perspective
			Dr. James Richardson, Special Assistant 
to the Director

10:00AM  	Break

10:30AM  	Future Technology Conference Report 
(Quantico, VA 31 Aug-2 
	Sep 93)
			Mr. Steve Small, Arms Program Liaison, 
Joint Services 
		Small Arms Program

10:50AM  	Simulation & Modelling: Key to Non-Lethal 
Weapons 
			Mr. Andy Andrews, Non-Lethal Project 
Leader, Los 
		Alamos National Laboratory

11:10AM  	Technology Presentations

	- Acoustic Technology
		Dr. John Dering, Scientific Applications 
Research Associates 
	(SARA)

	- High Power Microwave Technology
		Dr. Henry Brisker, U.S. Army Research 
Laboratory

	- Battlefield Optical Munitions
		Dr. Martin Plitch, Los Alamos National 
Laboratory

	- One Container Sticky Foams
		Dr. Peter B. Rand, Sandia National Laboratory

	- Application of Extremely Low Frequency 
Electromagnetic 
	  Fields to Non-Lethal Weapons 
		Dr. Clay Easterly, Oak Ridge National 
Laboratory
 
	- Non-Lethal Weapons
		Dr. Milt Finger, Lawrence Livermore National 
Laboratory

12:00PM  	Lunch
			Speaker: The Honorable Janet Reno, 
Attorney General of 
		the United States


1:30PM  	Technology Presentations

	- Voice Synthesis
		Dr. Dave Morgan, Lockheed-Sanders

	- Airbag Restraint Technology
		Ms. Donna Marts, Idaho National Engineering 
Laboratory

2:30PM  	Break


3:00PM  	Technology Presentations

	- Chemical/Biological Anti-Terrorism
		Ms. Astrid Lewis, U.S. Army Chemical 
Research & Development 
	Command

	- Biological Challenges
		Dr. Pat Unkefer, Los Alamos National 
Laboratory

	- Non-Lethal Research at INEL: Fracture & Dynamic 
Behavior,
	   Biotechnology, & Structural Ceramics
		Dr. Jonathan Epstein, Idaho National 
Engineering Laboratory

	- Contaminant Payloads
		Mr. Ed Colston, Naval Surface Weapons Center, 
Dahlgren

4:45PM  	Conference Closes





GENERAL INFORMATION

SECURITY CLEARANCE:
Clearance information must be submitted through each 
individual's Security 
Office and forwarded to:

Los Alamos National Laboratory
P.O. Box 1663, MS B236
Los Alamos, NM 87545

OR the information may be faxed to (505)667-1368, use 
the enclosed 
clearance form.

END TEXT


A peice I wrote to a person, it may help some people out there... 
Lady R.

 Wellcome, and here is is you learn. if you have psi talent whic I dare say it
sounds as though you do, things that leave a presence offten effect the awaken
psi more than those with latent talents that sleeps. The governement is trying
to use to it's benifit yes, but to what extent I cannot say. I would hazzard to
say that you are awakened and in being so have begun to feel the psi that
pulses through our world. Called Psi Radiation, what is left of minds after
they die, and what people with sleeping talents give off from day to day life. 

	You have to learn to shield your self and seal your home as well... 
But not like a metal sheild or a closed mind, it is open and yet the sheild
created filters out the  " noise " and doens't effect one so badly, allowing
for a, as much as possible normal life, unless something strong interferes.
Also college campuses are not exactly healthy for a awakened psi. The place I
find is " psychically muddy" filled with much despair, desperation, anguish,
saddness, and stress, sometimes also angry colors as well. A tiring place that
can and does run people like us ragged. 

	This is what I is what I would like you to do, ( Mind you I am no guru,
nor expert, just speaking from experience )

People with psi must heal themselves in emotion, spirit, soul, heart and mind.
You cannot use your talents to it's potential if you have baggage you haven't
delt with. A good book for the start of self healing is called:

Way Of the Peacful Warrior, by Dan Millman 
There are two books after this one, while I admit I have never read it, I have
seen what it has done for some dear people close to my heart. The results from
the reading of this series seems to have healing benifits. 

You need a shield. Not an impregnible one or one you can't see around,but one
you that allows you to be safe within your own space in or out of the home.

Lesson 0: Leave what you believe, or think or believe you might think you know
about this relam for the moment and open your mind to new things for a time.

Lesson 1: All is not what it seems, and the world called Mother Earth is truly
alive with the life energy of the planet.

Lesson 2: The " Force " is a real thing, it is not some made up thing. We and
all things are connected through the life force of the planet. It is this which
psi and all other forms of metaphysics draws upon.

Lesson 3: You have within you 8 energy centers called chakras. The places upon
wich they dwell is this:
RED: The chakra upon which you sit. At your tail bone ( Primal Survival Chakra)
ORANGE: The chakra upon where sex organs are ( Primal Survival Chakra )
YELLOW: The chakra where the womb, bladder intestines are ( Primal Survial
                                                            Chakra)
GREEN: The Heart and Solar Plexis Chakra
BLUE: The Voice box and communications Chakra
INDIGO: The Third Eye Chakra
PURPLE: This one is centered directly in middle of the skull, called the Brain
center Chakra
WHITE: The chakra right above your head centered over the brain chakra.


Lesson 4: You always draw up from the earth to the " BEING ( GOD/DESS FIGURE of
your choice ) " above in clockwise motion. Never down from " BEING ( GOD/DESS 
FIGURE of your choice), the reason being said that you might invite upon
yourself things or spirits from the relam above, where as the energy that flows 
beneath us is the energy of the mother earth, pure and clean. 

Lesson 5: Patience is the name of the game. 

Lesson 6: Now you know and are ready to begin s-l-o-w-l-y! First relax, learn
to let your mind quite, leave if you must and go somewhere where there is
quiet, a beach or a lake, or in the woods or somewhere quiet. Just listen to
the world around you... let the days or nights happens just melt into the
Earth. Lay down if you want. Now placing your hands palms down flat on the
ground...Take Three Deep Breaths, In the mouth out the nose, pausing for a
count of three between inhaling and exhaling. Fill your lungs and feel your
heart beating. Try to feel the pulse in your chest and other parts of your
body. Do this until it becomes easy to do without hard concentration. 

Lesson 7: WRITE DOWN YOUR DREAMS AND GET A GOOD DREAM DICTIONARY!

Lesson 8: Ok, after what I hope has been a couple of weeks of learning to relax
and breathing and getting to KNOW yourself. You are ready for the bubble
effect. Your body is like a battery, positve and negative poles. You can form
through you a bubble of energy from the " force " This can be used in time as a
shield, but first you have to learn how to build it, then you can add to it's
size, and what jobs you want it to do, or surround you. 

Now remember up from mother earth, through you to the " All that Is ( as I call
it)" above your head....

Start with the breathing, in mouth and out nose, you can breath a little less 
deeper after three so you don't get dizzy. Now place your hands wide apart,
palms facing eachother. Your arms should be resting at about a 90 degree angle 
just about the bottom of your ribs or so. ( some people do have longer arms
than others ) Your hands should be about foot apart. Now imagine that your body
is a battery, ( by the way sit down on the ground  or floor to fo this, 
preferably indian style ) Mother Earth is one side of the connection, the " All
that Is" the other connection, like a flashlight. 

Don't forget to do the breathing...

Ok now imagine mother earth connecting to you, amd through you each chakra
connect to the next, first Mother Earth to Red, then red to orange, then Red
Orange, Yellow, to Green, then Red, orange, yellow, green to blue to indigo to
purple to white....

end part 1


Then next part is on it's way.... I want to be sure I don't have to retype
this by getting kicked off the modem by an incoming call....

Blessed Be Lady Rhavyn
  

I am not bragging here, and by all means I am not a expert, these are only
things I have observed about myself and things that I am aware of.. I thought I
would add it to answer one of the questions which tends to be " Who the Hell
ARE you?"
Lady R.

	First psi is not a power it's an ability within the human being. but as
to the extent and capability of my own psi ability?

Well let's get started.... I will be sending something I give to all people who
write to me and want to to know how do I do it!

Let's start with the least and go to the strong

Emapthy: I was a good one about 4 years ago, but lack of knowledge and in
ability to deal with it, caused a burn out, or rather a receeding of the
ability. It has begun to surface again, but is very intermittent and very
unreliable.

Telepathy: I can " send loudly " so I have been told, but I can recieve very
little. Some time I do " hear " but very rarely and it's not a strong ability

Dream Precognition: Minor, intermittent... not reliable

Telekenesis: Well I either have Angles on my shoulders or it kicks in when I am 
in danger. Proof of this is four car accidents where the car bent around me,
and I have no visual or physical damage..

Psychometry: Minor flashes, not very accurate, but enough to notice.

Awake Precogntion: Sometimes I know something is going to happen before it does
because I get a flash of what is about to occur... sometimes it's only
intuition and feeling, sometimes it's the full lenghth feature film. 

Telepathy with animals: Decent, Animals think is picture and feeling
so it's easy to understand them if you take the time to listen, and they can
receive also... 

Remote Viewing: Now this is my strongest talent. I have been to England, and I
have been to california.. with out BEING there. The mind had the ability to
fold time and space, this is what happens when remote viewing occurs. 
I am 80 nto 90 percent accurate... so I have been told... 


Using cards I get about 40 to 50 percent right... average I think

Well there's that, now you know, it's your turn....

Blessed Be!

 Lady Rhavyn



Okay, now for what little I can contribute.  First the disclaimer.  This data is 
at least six years old, and may be EXTREMELY out of date.  I have no 
paperwork, or anything that would stand up in a court of law.  ( Or even a 
basketball court.).  

During the Carter Administration, the upper echleons of the Western 
Intelligence system were reorganized.  The CIA was stripped of ACTIVE 
covert operatives, and returned to its original task as a center for 
information compilation, and analysis;  they get all data from spy technology, 
worldwide and create a on going database.   Active HUMAN intelligence 
training and missions were transfered over to Delta Command, which 
includes military training and operations, in a full human resources 
orgnizational grouping.  

Durning this time all paranomral research and development programs were 
removed from Military, Intelligence, and Academic control and placed under 
the co-ordination and oversight of Strategic Tele-weapons Advanced 
Research and Operational Development ( S.T.A.R.O.D. ), including the CIA's 
Paranormal training and medical center ( designated CLINC during the 
seventies, and recoded HOSPITAL, during the reorganization ) located in 
Maine.  

Substantial research and development was done accomplished, which 
allowed natural psi-sensatives ( who worked for the government ) to bring 
their talents to peak strength.  The training NET included a standing 
operation to recruit any and all persons exhibiting above normal paranormal 
ability, and control.   

Recruitment involved ( domestic U.S. ) sending low-level, regional low 
sensative psi-individuals to all New-age, Pagan, and other public gatherings  
and groups to test and  "feel"  for untrained, unrecruited individuals, who  
would  "involved"  in the program.  

Some time during the middle eighties, a group of trained, deep-intelligence  
paranormals went rogue, refusing to use their abilities for Psi-esiponage. 
This action caused the government to begin the development of anti-psi 
technology, including the Suicide/Compulsion psychometry strategy ( 
telepathically saturating specific map locations with feelings of depression, 
and feelings of helplessness, compelling ANYONE with untrained psi ability to 
suicide.), the selective RF bombardment tactic ( sychronizing low level 
electro-magnetic fields and Radio Freceuncys to the molecular resonant 
frecquency of the brain's neuro-receptors ), etc.,.

You can pretty much carry on the line of thought from here, with the data 
provided in the Confrence agenda.  The one that bothers me is the 
Bioweapons and structural ceramics combined research out of Idaho.  The 
human body doesn't reject cermaic material.  It looks like they want to 
implant or possibly  " improve"  the human race.  

Part 2

Continuation of Lesson 8:

Now that you have gotten into sink as it were and the energy is humming through
you, feel the enrgy between your hands. You should be able to feel a resistance 
between them, like when you have magents pushing away from eachother. That's
the energy bubble. Play with it, see how small or big you can make it,
experiment... 

Lesson 9: 

Putting the energy to rest ( turning off the flashlight )

Now that you have played enough with it... it's to put it away... 
How do you turn it off? face your palms down and place them on the ground...
breath out 1 large fast deep breath. See the energy and you the battery
draining down into mother earth... you are switching off the battery power to
the " All that IS " or the light in the flashlight " and returning the excess
to miother earth.... now left your hands off the ground, snap your fingers..
this is a signal for the energies to go off and do what ever energies do... (
yes I know how this sounds... I must be nuts right? NOT!!!!) and to teach your
self when it's over... then shake oout your hands like you would to dry them
off from excess water... take another deep centering breath and look around you
to remember where you are... sometimes if you get into it too much you forget
where you were for a momnets time... happens to the best of us...


Lesson 10... You're done, and remember what I wrote to you, and try to get some
calming music, try to not listen to so much rap or hard rock, etc... a psi mind
needs calm...so does the body. Try Enya, Clannad, classical music, Kenny G.
That sort of thing, Oh some pop rock, contry music, and rock is ok, but not all
the time. Incense help too. Sandalwood, pepermint, cinnamon.. those are good to
clear the air as it were, so are plants...


well this should help you out...

Write me and let me know how you are doing ok?

Blessed Be
Lady Rhavyn



These are some frequently asked questions and here's how I answer them.. It
should be noted that each person see's it differently and has a different
opinion on how to answer them

Hello...


1. How do you know if you have psionic abilities? 

My husband says when your life consists of more than 75% coincidence, your
psychic.. Things you should pay attention to, When you know who is on the phone
and your just about to pick it up, dreams that come true is a form of
precognition. The best way to find out is to experiment.. and see what happens. 

2. Does everyone have them?
	I believe that everyone has them, but I also think that it is lattent
and sleeps in some and is awake in some.. but it's not always that easy to tell
who's psi is awake and whose is awake...

3. How do you know when a supposed psionic ability is real or not?

	Test it... if it happens more offten than not, then it's an abilitiy

And 4... my favorite

How do I know whether I have the psi power...

It's not a power, like superman or the x-men... it's an ability within the
human mind that isn't always used.. remember we only use about 10 to 15% of our
brain capacity...


  I am posting in response to the articles on government and psi.  I notice there
hasn't been much response to those yet, I'm a little suprised, considering the
content of those articles.  

   First of all, I wanted to talk about one of the highly placed members of the  
 Avariy who called Gen. Stubblebineine  "Gen. Spoonbender" and then trashed 
Stubblebine's reputation and psi-tech.  Later, however, the same source said that
he and John Alexander were "friends".  I guess it's not so easy to trash
Alexander's reputation, seeing how he's so highly placed, (i.e. Director of
Non-Lethal programmes at Los Alamos National Labs, friends with the vice
president, etc.  Not to mention he gave a speech at this classified conference..)
Notice how Alexandar is also on the board of psi-tech, though.  Now why would
Alexander risk his reputation by associating himself with a company of con
artists?  Anyone want to clarify this for me?

    Also, about the little spiel about how the government is using satanic
rituals to contact non-human intelligences (NHI).  The author concluded that
these scientists were feeding him misinformation, since they didn't come forward
to the New York Times or Nightline, and instead came to some obscure ufologist. 
First of all, I don't think the New York Times is going to print something like
this without evidence.  I don't think a reputable news orginzation is going to
spread this around on an anonymous tip.  Another point against the scientists'
story is the fact that they continued to work on projects they considered
unethical.  Since this has already ventured into the truly bizarre, isn't there a
possibility that the scientists did not HAVE the option to quit.  Who knows... 
It just seems to me there was an explanation for why the scientists did what they
did and not more.  (Of course, if the government really did go that far, it's a
wonder they didn't catch even a small leak like that.)  I don't know, this is
quite a strech, like most of the stuff posted in the alt.para groups.  ANYONE
care to comment on these articles?



(LOBSTER magazine, which specialises in intelligence and 
conspiracy matters, 
is published twice yearly.)
 
NON-LETHALITY: JOHN B. ALEXANDER, THE PENTAGON'S 
PENGUIN
 By Armen Victorian
 
On April 22, 1993, both BBC1 and BBC2 showed on their 
main evening news 
bulletins a rather lengthy piece concerning America's 
latest development in 
weaponry - the non-lethal weapons concept.  David 
Shukman, BBC Defence 
Correspondent interviewed (Retired) U.S. Army Colonel 
John B. Alexander 
and Janet Morris, two of the main proponents of the 
concept (1).  The 
concept of non-lethal weapons is not new. Non-lethal 
weapons have been 
used by the intelligence, police and defence 
establishments in the past (2).  
Several western governments have used a variety of 
non-lethal weapons in 
a more discreet and covert manner.  It seems that the 
U.S. government is 
about to take the first step towards their open use.
 
The current interest in the concept of non-lethal weapons 
began about a 
decade ago with John Alexander.  In December 1980 he 
published an article 
in the U.S. Army's journal, MILITARY REVIEW, "The New 
Mental Battlefield," 
referring to claims that telepathy could be used to 
interfere with the brain's 
electrical activity.  This caught the attention of senior 
Army generals who 
encouraged him to pursue what they termed "soft option 
kill" technologies.
 
After retiring from the Army in 1988, Alexander joined 
the Los Alamos 
National Laboratories and began working with Janet 
Morris, the Research 
Director of the U.S. Global Strategy Council (USGSC), 
chaired by Dr Ray Cline, 
former Deputy Director of the CIA (3).  I examine the 
background of Janet 
Morris and John Alexander in more detail below.
 
Throughout 1990 the USGSC lobbied the main national 
laboratories, major 
defence contractors and industries, retired senior military 
and intelligence 
officers. The result was the creation of a Non-lethality 
Policy Review Group, 
led by Major General Chris S. Adams, USAF (retd.) former 
Chief of Staff, 
Strategic Air Command (4).  They already have the 
support of Senator Sam 
Nunn, chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee.  
According to Janet 
Morris, the military attache at the Russian Embassy has 
contacted USGSC 
about the possibility of converting military hardware to a 
non-lethal 
capability.
 
In 1991 Janet Morris issued a number of papers giving 
more detailed 
information about USGSC's concept of non-lethal weapons 
(5).  Shortly after, 
the U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command at Fort 
Monroe, VA, published 
a detailed draft report on the subject titled "Operations 
Concept for Disabling 
Measures."  The report included over twenty projects in 
which John 
Alexander is currently involved at the Los Alamos 
national Laboratories.
 
In a memorandum dated April 10, 1991, titled "Do we 
need a Non-lethal 
Defense initiative?" Paul Wolfwitz, Under Secretary of 
Defense for Policy, 
wrote to Defense Secretary Dick Cheney, "A U.S. lead in 
non-lethal 
technologies will increase our options and reinforce our 
position in the post-
Cold War world. Our Research and Development efforts 
must be increased."
 
HOW LETHAL IS NON-LETHAL?
To support their non-lethal weapons concept, Janet 
Morris argues that while 
"war will always be terrible... a world power deserving its 
reputation for 
humane action should pioneer the principles of non-lethal 
defense (6)."  In 
"Defining a non-lethal strategy," she seeks to establish a 
doctrine for the use 
of non-lethal weapons by the U.S. in crisis "at home or 
abroad in a life 
serving fashion." She totally disregards the offensive, 
lethal aspects 
inhereent in some of the weapons in question, or their 
misuse, should they 
become available to "rogue" nations.  Despite her 
arguments that non-lethal 
weapons should serve the U.S.'s interests "at home and 
abroad by projecting 
power without indiscriminately taking lives or destroying 
property (7)," she 
admits that "casualties cannot be avoided (8)."
 
Closer examination of the types of weapons to be used as 
non-lethal 
invalidates her assertions about their non-lethality.  
According to her white 
paper, the areas where non-lethal weapons could be 
useful are "regional and 
low inensity conflict (adventurism, insurgency, ethnic 
violence, terrorism, 
narco- trafficking, domestic crime) (9)." She believes that 
"by identifying and
requiring a new category of non-lethal weapons, tactics 
and strategic 
planning" the U.S. can reshape its military capability "to 
meet the already 
identifiable threats" that they might face in a multipolar 
world "where 
American interests are globalized and American presence 
widespread (10)."
 
THE POTENTIAL INVENTORY
Janet Morris' "White Paper" recommends "two types of 
life-conserving 
technologies":
 
ANTI-MATERIAL NON-LETHAL TECHNOLOGIES
To destroy or impair electronics, or in other ways stop 
mechanical systems 
from functioning.  Amongst current technologies from 
which this category of 
non- lethal weapons would or could be chosen are:
 
* Chemical and bilogical weapons for their anti-materiel 
agents "which do not 
significantly endanger life or the environment, or anti-
personnel agents 
which have no permanent effects (11)."
 
* Laser blinding systems to incapacitate the electronic 
sensors, or optics, i.e. 
light detection and ranging.  Already the Army Infantry 
School is developing 
a one-man portable and operated laser weapons system 
known as the 
Infantry Self-Defense System.  The U.S. Army's 
Armament Research, 
Development and Engineer Center (ARDEC), is also 
engaged in the 
development of non-lethal weapons under their program 
called "Low 
Collateral Damage Munitions" (LCDM). The LCDM is trying 
to develop 
technolgies leading to weapons capable of dazzling and 
incapacitating 
missiles, armoured vehicles and personnel.
 
* Non-lethal electromagnetic technolgies.
 
* Non-nuclear Electromagnetic Pulse weapons (12).  As 
General Norman 
Schwartzkopf has told the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, one 
such weapons 
stationed in space with a wide-area-pulse capacity has 
the ability to fry 
enemy electronics.  But what would be the fate of enemy 
personnel in such a 
scenario?  In a join project with the Los Alamos National 
Laboratories and 
with technical support from the Army's Harry Diamond 
Laboratories, ARDEC 
are developing High Power Microwave (HPM) Projectiles.  
According to 
ARDEC, the Diamond lab has already "completed a radio 
frequency effects 
analysis on a representative target set" for (HPM).
 
* Among the chemical agents, so-called supercaustics - 
"Millions of times 
more caustic than hydrofluric acid (13)" - are prime 
candidates.  An artillery 
round could deliver jellied super-acids which could 
destroy the optics of 
heavily armoured vehicles or tanks, vision blocks or 
glass, and "could be 
used to silently destroy key weapons systems (14)."
 
On less lethal aspects the use of net-like entanglements 
for SEAL teams, or 
"stealthy" metal boats with low or no radar signature, "for 
night actions, or
any seaborne or come-ashore stealthy scenario" are 
under consideration 
(15). More colourful concepts are the use of chemical 
metal embrittlement, 
often called liquid metal embrittlement and anti-materiel 
polymers which 
would be used in aerosol dispersal systems, spreading 
chemical adhesives or 
lubricants (i.e. Teflon-based lubricants) on enemy 
equipment from a 
distance.
 
ANTI-PERSONNEL NON-LETHAL TECHNOLOGIES
* Hand-held lasers which are menat "to dazzle," could also 
cause the eyeball 
to explode and to blind the target.
 
* Isotropic radiators - explosively driven munitions, 
capable of generating 
very bright omni-directional light, with similar effects to 
laser guns.
 
* High-power microwaves (HPM) - U.S. Special Operations 
command already 
has that capability within their grasp as a portable 
microwave weapon (16).  
As Myron L. Wolbarsht, a Duke University opthalamist 
and expert in laser 
weapons stated: "U.S. Special Forces can quietly cut 
enemy communications 
but also can cook internal organs (17)."
 
* Another candidate is Infrasound - acoustic beams.  In 
conjunction with the 
Scientific Applications and Research Associates (SARA) of 
Huntingdon, 
California, ARDEC and Los Alamos laboratories are busy 
"developing a high 
power, very low frequency acoustic beam weapons." They 
are also looking 
into methods of projecting non-diffracting (i.e. non-
penetrating) high 
frequency acoustic bullets.  ARDEC scientists are also 
looking into methods of 
using pulsed chemical lasers.  This class of lasers could 
project "a hot, high 
pressure plasma in the air in front of a target surface, 
creating a blast wave 
that will result in variable but controlled effects on 
materiel and personnel."
 
* Infrasound.  Alrady some governments have used it as 
a means of crowd 
control - e.g. France.
 
* Very low frequency (VLF) sound (20-35 KHz), or low-
frequency RF 
modulations can cause nausea, vomiting and abdominal 
pains.  "Some very 
low frequency sound generators, in certain frequency 
ranges, can cause the 
disruption of human organs and, at high power levels, can 
crumble masonry 
(18)."  The CIA had a similar program in 1978 called 
Operation Pique, which 
included bouncing radio or microwave signals off the 
ionosphere to affect 
mental functions of people in selected areas, including 
Eastern European 
nuclear installations (19).
 
JOHN ALEXANDER
The entire non-lethal weapon concept opens up a new 
Pandora's Box of 
unknown consequences.  The main personality behind it 
is retired Colonel 
John B. Alexander.  Born in New York in 1937, he spent 
part of his career as 
a Commander of Green Berets Special Forces in Vietnam, 
led Cambodian 
mercenaries behind enemy lines, and took part in a 
number of clandestine 
programmes, including Phoenix.  He currently holds the 
post of Director of 
Non-lethal Programmes in the Los Alamos National 
Laboratories.
 
Alexander obtained a BaS from the University of 
Nebraska and an MA from 
Pepperdine University.  In 1980 he was awarded a PhD 
from Walden 
University (20) for his thesis "To determine whether or 
not significant 
changes in spirituality occur in persons who attended a 
Kubler-Ross 
life/death transition workshop during the period June 
through February 
1979."  His dissertation committee was chaired by 
Elizabeth Kubler-Ross.
 
He has long been interested in what used to be regarded 
as "fringe" areas.  
In 1971, while a Captain in the infantry at Schofield 
Barracks, Honolulu, he 
was diving in the Bemini Islands looking for the lost 
continent of Atlantis.  
He was an official representative for the Silva mind 
control organisation and 
a lecturer on Precataclysmic Civilisations (21).  Alexander 
is also a past 
President and a Board member of the International 
Association for Near 
Death Studies; and, with his former wife, Jan Northup, he 
helped Dr C.B. Scott 
Jones perform ESP experiments with dolphins (22).
 
PSI-TECH
Retired Major General Albert N. Stubblebine (Former 
Director of U.S. Army 
Intelligence and Security Command) and Alexander are 
on the board of a 
"remote viewing" company called PSI-TECH.  The 
company also employs 
Major Edward Dames (ex Defence Intelligence Agency), 
Major David 
Morehouse (ex 82nd Airborne Division), and Ron 
Blackburn (former 
microwave scientist and specialist at Kirkland Air Force 
Base). PSI-TECH has 
received several government contracts. For example, 
during the Gulf War 
crisis the Department for Defense asked it to use remote 
viewing to locate 
Saddam's Scud missiles sites.  Last year (1992) the FBI 
sought PSI-TECH's 
assistance to locate a kidnapped Exxon executive (23).
 
With Major Richard Groller and Janet Morris as his co-
authors, Alexander 
published THE WARRIOR'S EDGE in 1990 (24).  The book 
describes in detail 
various unconventional methods which would enable the 
practitioner to 
acquire "human excellence and optimum performance" 
and thereby become 
an invincible warrior (25).  The purpose of the book is "to 
unlock the door to 
the extraordinary human potentials inherent in each of 
us.  To do this, we, 
like governments around the world, must take a fresh 
look at non-traditional
methods of affecting reality.  We must raise human 
consciousness of the 
potential power of the individual body/mind system - 
the power to 
manipulate reality.  We must be willing to retake control 
of our past, 
present, and ultimately, our future (26)."
 
Alexander is a friend of Vice President Al Gore Jnr, their 
relationship dating 
back to 1983 when Gore was in Alexander's Neuro-
Linguistic Programming 
(NLP).  NLP "presented to selected general officers and 
Senior Executive 
Service members (27)" a set of techniques to modify 
behaviour patterns 
(28).  Among the first generals to take the course was the 
then Lieutenant 
General Maxwell Thurman, who later went on to receive 
his fourth star and 
become Vice-Chief of Staff at the Army and Commander 
Southern Command 
(29).   Among other senior participants were Tom 
Downey and Major General 
Stubblebine, former Director of the Army Intelligence 
Security Command.
 
"In 1983, the Jedi master (from the Star Wars movie - 
author) provided an 
image and a name for the Jedi Project (30)."  Jedi Project's 
aim was to seek 
and "construct teachable models of behaviorable/physical 
excellence using
unconventional means (31)."  According to Alexander the 
Jedi Project was to 
be a follow-up to Neuro-Linguistic Programming skills.  
By using the 
influence of friends such as Major General Stubblebine, 
who was then head 
of the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, he 
managed to fund 
Jedi.  In reality the concept was old hat, re-christened by 
Alexander.  The 
original idea which was to show how "human will power 
and human 
concentration affect performance more than any other 
single factor (32)" 
using NLP skills, was the brainchild of three independent 
people; Fritz 
Erikson, a Gestalt therapist, Virginia Satir, a family 
therapist and Erick 
Erickson, a hypnotist.
 
JANET MORRIS
Janet Morris, co-author of THE WARRIOR'S EDGE, is best 
known as a science 
fiction writer but has been a member of the New York 
Academy of Sciences 
since 1980 and is a member of the Association for 
Electronic Defense.  She is 
also the Research Director of the U.S. Global Strategy 
Council (USGSC).  She 
was initiated into the Japanese art of bioenergetics, Joh-
re, the Indonesian
brotherhood of Subud, and graduated from the Silva 
course in advanced 
mind control.  She has been conducting remote viewing 
experiments for 
fifteen years. 
She worked on a research project investigating the effects 
of mind on 
probability in computer systems.  Her husband, Robert 
Morris, is a former 
judge and a key member of the American Security 
Council (33).
 
In a recent telephone conversation with the author (34), 
Janet Morris 
confirmed John Alexander's involvement in mind control 
and psychotronic 
projects in the Los Alamos National Laboratories. 
Alexander and his team 
have recently been working with Dr Igor Smirnov, a 
psychologist from the 
Moscow Insitute of Psychocorrelations.  They were 
invited to the U.S. after 
Janet Morris' visit to Russia in 1991. There she was 
shown the technique 
which was pioneered by the Russian Deparment of 
Psycho-Correction at 
Moscow Medical Academy.  The Russians employ a 
technique to 
electronically analyse the human mind in order to 
influence it.  They input 
subliminal command messages, using key words 
transmitted in "white noise" 
or music (35).  Using an infrasound very low frequency-
type transmission, 
the acoustic psycho-correction message is transmitted via 
bone conduction - 
ear plugs would not restrict the message.  To do that 
would require an entire 
body protection system.  According to the Russians the 
subliminal messages 
by-pass the conscious level and are effective almost 
immediately.
 
C.B. SCOTT JONES
Jones is the former assistant to Senator Clairborne Pell 
(Democrat, Rhode 
Island).  Scott Jones was a member of U.S. Naval 
Intelligence for 15 years, as
well as Assistant Naval Attache, New Delhi, India, in the 
1960s.  Jones has 
briefed the President's Scientific Advisory Committee, 
and has testified 
before House and Senate Committees on intelligence 
matters.  After the navy 
he "worked in the private sector research and 
development community 
involved in the U.S. government sponsored projects for 
the Defense Nuclear 
Agency (DNA), Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and U.S. 
Army Intelligence 
and Security Command."  He has been head of the 
Rockerfeller Foundation 
for some time and chairs the American Society for 
Psychical Research (36).
 
BIRDS OF A FEATHER
Alexander and C.B. Jones are members of the AVIARY, a 
group of intelligence 
and Department of Defense officers and scientists with a 
brief to discredit 
any serious research in the UFO field.  Each member of 
the Aviary bears a 
bird's name.  Jones is FALCON, John Alexander is 
PENGUIN.
 
One of their agents; a UFO researcher known as William 
Moore, who was 
introduced to John Alexander at a party in 1987 by Scott 
Jones, confessed in 
front of an audience at a conference held by the MUTUAL 
UFO NETWORK 
(MUFON) on July 1, 1989, in Las Vegas, how he was 
promised inside 
information by the senior members of the AVIARY in 
return for his 
obedience and service to them.  He participated in the 
propagation and 
dissemination of disinformation fed to him by various 
members of the 
AVIARY.  He also confessed how he was instructed to 
target one particular 
individual, an electronics expert, Dr Paul Bennewitz, who 
had accumulated 
some UFO film footage and electronic signals which were 
taking place in 
1980 over the Menzano Weapons Storage areas, at 
Kirtland Air Force Base, 
New Mexico.  As a result of Moore's involvement, coupled 
with some 
surreptitious entries and psychological techniques, 
Bennewitz ended up in a 
psychiatric hospital.
 
Just before the publication of my first paper unmasking 
two members of the 
AVIARY (37) I was visited by two of their members 
(MORNING DOVE and 
HAWK) who had travelled to the U.K. with a message 
from the senior ranks 
advising me not to go ahead with my expose.  I rejected 
the proposal.
 
Immediately after the publication of that paper, and with 
the full knowledge
that myself and a handful of colleagues knew the true 
identities of their 
members, John B. Alexander confessed that he was 
indeed a member of the 
AVIARY, nicknamed PENGUIN.  The accuracy of our 
information was further 
confirmed to me by yet another member of the AVIARY, 
Ron Pandolphi, 
PELICAN.  Pandolphi is a PhD in physics and works at the 
Rocket and Missile 
section of the Office of the Deputy Director of Science and 
Technology, CIA.
 
In his book, OUT THERE (38), the NEW YORK TIMES 
journalist Howard Blum 
refers to "a UFO Working Group" within the Defense 
Intelligence Agency.  
Despite DIA's repeated denials (39), the existence of this 
working gorup has 
been confirmed to me by more than one member of the 
group itself, 
including an independent source in the Office of Naval 
Intelligence.  The 
majority of the group's members are senior members of 
the AVIARY:  Dr 
Christopher Green (BLUEJAY) from the CIA (40), Harold 
Puthoff (OWL) ex-
NSA; Dr Jack Verona (RAVEN) (DoD, one of the initiators 
of the DIA's Sleeping 
Beauty project which aimed to achieve battlefield 
superiority using mind-
altering electromagnetic weaponry); John Alexander 
(PENGUIN) and Ron 
Pandolphi (PELICAN).
 
The mysterious "Col. Harold E. Phillips" who appears in 
Blum's OUT THERE is 
none other than John B. Alexander.
 
John Alexander's position as the Program Manager for 
Contingency Missions 
of Conventional Defense Technology, Los Alamos National 
Laboratories, 
enabled him to exploit the Department of Defense's 
Project RELIANCE "which 
encourages a search for all possible sources of existing 
and incipient 
technologies before developing new technology in-house 
(41)" to tap into a 
wide range of exotic topics, sometimes using defense 
contractors, e.g. 
McDonnel Douglas Aerospce. I have several reports, some 
of which were 
compiled before his departure to the Los Alamos National 
Laboratories when 
he was with Army Intelligence, which show Alexander's 
keen interest in any 
and every exotic subject - UFOs, ESP, psychotronics, anti-
gravity devices, 
near death experiments, psychology warfare and non-
lethal weaponry.
 
John Alexander utilises the bank of information he has 
accumulated to try to 
develop psychotronic, psychological and mind weaponry.  
He began thinking 
about non-lethal weapons a decade ago in his paper "The 
New Mental 
Battlefield."  He seems to want to become a "Master."  If 
he ever succeeds in 
this ambition the rest of us ordinary mortals had better 
watch out.
 
NOTES:
1.  Letter dated 2 April, 1993, to author from Mrs 
Victoria Alexander.
 
2.  The U.S. Army Chemical and Military Police used 
"Novel Effect Weapons" 
against the women protesters at the Greenham Common 
Base.
 
3.  The United States Global Strategy Council is an 
independent think tank, 
incorporated in 1981.  It focuses on long-range strategic 
issues.  The 
founding members were Clare Boothe Luce, General 
Maxwell Taylor, 
General Albert Wedemeyer, Dr Ray Cline (Co-chair), Jeane 
Kirkpatrick 
(Co-chair), Morris Leibman, Henry luce III, J. William 
Middendorf II, 
Admiral Thomas H. Moorer USN (retd), General Richard 
Stillwell (retd), 
Dr Michael A. Daniles (President), Dr Dalton A. West 
(Executive Vice 
President).  Its Research Directors were Dr Yona
Alexander, Dr Roger Fontaine, Robert L. Katula and Janet 
Morris.
 
4.  NONLETHAlITY: DEVELOPMENT OF A NATIONAL 
POLICY AND EMPLOYING 
NONLETHAL MEANS IN A NEW STATEGIC ERA -  a Project 
of the U.S. 
Global Strategy Council, 1991, p.4.  Other staff members 
of the USGSC 
are Steve Trevino, Dr John B. Alexander and Chris Morris.
 
5.  The USGSC has issued a wide variety of papers on the 
Nonlethal Weapons 
Concept.  For example, IN SEARCH OF NONLETHAL 
STRATEGY (Janet 
Morris); NONLETHALITY: A GLOBAL STRATEGY - WHITE 
PAPER; 
NONLETHALITY BRIEFING SUPPLEMENT No.1; and 
NONLETHALITY IN 
THE OPERATIONAL CONTIUNUUM.
 
6.  IN SEARCH OF A NONLETHAL STRATEGY, Janet Morris, 
p.1.
 
7.  NONLETHALITY: A GLOBAL STRATEGY - WHITE 
PAPER, p.3.
 
8.  IN SEARCH OF... P.3.
 
9.  In the recent cult siege in Waco, Texas, a "nonlethal" 
technique, projecting 
sublimal messages, was used to influence David Kuresh - 
without 
effect.
 
10. NONLETHALITY: A GLOBAL STRATEGY - WHITE 
PAPER, p.2.
 
11. The computer data base compiled during the 
CIA/Army's Project OFTEN, 
examining several thousand chemical compounds, during 
1976-1973, 
is a most likely candidate for any chemical agents for 
nonlethal 
weapons.
 
12. The British MoD is already developing a "microwave 
bomb."  Work on the 
weapon is going on at the Defence Research Agency at 
Farnborough, 
Hampshire. See SUNDAY TELEGRAPH September 27, 1992, 
partly 
reproduced in LOBSTER 24, p.14.   The Royal Navy is 
already in 
possession of laser weapons which dazzle aircraft pilots.  
The Red 
Cross has called for them to be banned under the Geneva 
Convention 
because could permanently blind.
 
13. IN SEARCH OF A NONLETHAL STRATEGY, p.13.
 
14. Ibid.
 
15. The U.S. Navy, through its Project SEA SHADOW,  has 
already developed a 
stealth boat.  Like the Lockheed F117A, stealth fighter, it 
leaves no 
radar signature - BBC, Newsround, April 28, 1993.
 
16. Taped conversation with Janet Morris, March 1, 1993.
 
17. THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, January 4, 1993.
 
18. IN SEARCH OF A NONLETHAL STRATEGY, p. 14.
 
19. REMOTE CONTROL TECHNOLOGY, Anna Keeler (FULL 
DISCLOSURE, Ann 
Arbor, U.S.A., 1989) p.11.
 
20. Walden University, 801 Anchor Road Drive, Naples, Fl. 
33904, U.S.A.  
Walden University considers itself a non-traditional 
university and 
does not offer any undergraduate courses to its students.
 
21. Brad Steiger, MYSTERIES OF SPACE AND TIME 
(Prentice Hall, Engelwood 
Cliffs, New Jersey) pp.72 and 3.  The U.S. Army Command 
and General 
College, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, issued this on 
Alexander's career:  
"Colonel John B. Alexander, U.S. Army Retired, manages 
Antimateriel 
Technology at Los Alamos National Laboratories, Los 
Alamos, New 
Mexico.  His military assignments included; Advanced 
Systems 
Concepts Office, Laboratory Command; manager, 
Technology 
Integration Office, Army Material Command; assistant 
deputy chief of 
staff, Technology Planning and Management, Army 
Material 
Command; and chief, Advanced Human Technology, 
Intelligence and 
Security Command."
 
22. Taped telephone conversation with Dr Scott Jones, 
August 17, 1992.
 
23. Taped telephone converstaion with Maj. Edward 
Dames, June 27, 1992; 
and THE BULLETIN OF ATOMIC SCIENTISTS, December 
1992, p.6.
 
24. THE WARRIOR'S EDGE, Col. John B. Alexander, Maj. 
Richard Groller and 
Janet Morris, (William Morrow Inc., New York, 1990).
 
25. Ibid. p.9.
 
26. Ibid. pp.9 and 10.
 
27. Ibid p.47.
 
28. Ibid.
 
29. Ibid.
 
30. Ibid. pp.72 and 3.
 
31. Ibid. p.12.
 
32. Ibid. p. 13.
 
33. The American Security Council (ASC) Box 8, Boston, 
Virginia 22713, USA.
ASC is militarist, anti-communist and right-wing.  Formed 
in the mid 1950s, 
the Council acts as a right-wing think tank on foreign 
policy and 
lobbies for the expansion and strengthening of U.S. 
miliary forces.  In 
1985 the ASC had
330,000 members.  See, for example, the entry for the 
ASC in THE RADICAL 
RIGHT: A WORLD DIRECTORY, compiled by Ciaran O 
Maolain (Longman, 
London 1987).
 
34. Taped telephone conversation with Janet Morris, 
March 1, 1993.
 
35. In 1989 a U.S. Department of Defense consultant and 
contractor 
explained to the author how he was asked to examine the 
possibility 
of devising operational methods of transmitting 
subliminal messages 
through the TV screen.
 
36. "Will the Real Scott Jones please stand up?" - 
unpublished paper by 
George Hansen and Robert Durant, February 20, 1990, 
pp.4 and 5.
 
37. "The Birds" Armen Victorian, in U.K. UFO Magazine, 
Vol.11 No.3, 
July/August 1992, pp 4-7.
 
38. OUT THERE, Howard Blum (Simon and Schuster, 
London 1990) pp.44, 46-
51, 55-57.
 
39. DIA's letters to author dated July 12, 1991, July 8, 
1992 and December 
18, 1992.
 
40. Dr Chistopher "Kit" Green, BLUEJAY, has admitted that 
the CIA has 
compiled over 30,000 files on UFOs, 200 of which are 
extremely 
interesting.  Green was a key CIA member in examining 
the UFO 
problem for several years.
 
41. Los Alamos National Laboratory, Institutional Plan 
Fiscal Year 1992 -
 
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The following note is my own comment on the suggestion 
in the above  
article that Col. John Alexander is the true identity of 
Colonel Hal Phillips 
discussed in Howard Blum's book "Out There". -Steve>

My own reading of Howard Blum's book "out there" 
suggests that John 
Alexander is probably *not* the mysterious "Colonel  
Phillips" cited by Blum, 
unless biographical details were  deliberately scrambled. 
The book 
"Warrior's Edge" by Alexander, Morris and Groller states 
"In 1956 he 
<Alexander> entered the  U.S. Army as a private and 
retired thirty-two years 
later as a  colonel."  Colonel Phillips' bio from "Out There" 
on the other  hand 
says ...born 1941, Sioux City, Iowa; graduated University 
of  Southern Illinois, 
engineering degree and ROTC; entered the Army  as a 
first lieutenant and 
decided to become a carreer officer..."
	Probably not the same guy.
 
					Steve

Thank You for explaining a key motivation in one of the 
main factors 
that have affected my life for more than 10 years.  It is 
strange how 
when one is part of master plan how well implemented 
compartmented 
security can be.

Don't worry.  Everything will be all right.  They cannot 
succeed.  They 
have and will continue to win some battles but, they will 
lose the 
overall confrontation.  But, you must also continue your 
efforts, do not 
become complacent, you are part of the solution.

In fact, given the center of their research and 
development, and based 
on where we are currently located, there is an eerie irony 
to all of this.  
They do not know that we are already right under their 
noses, within 
their reach, but they cannot touch (psi) us.

Okay, now for what little I can contribute.  First the 
disclaimer.  This data
is at least six years old, and may be EXTREMELY out of 
date.  I have no
paperwork, or anything that would stand up in a court of 
law.  ( Or even a
basketball court.).  

Proving this in court is unnecessary.
 
During the Carter Administration, the upper echleons of 
the Western 
Intelligence system were reorganized.  The CIA was 
stripped of ACTIVE 
covert operatives, and returned to its original task as a 
center for 
information compilation, and analysis;  they get all data 
from spy technology, 
worldwide and create a on going database.  

Active HUMAN intelligence training and missions were 
transfered over to 
Delta Command, which includes military training and 
operations, in a full 
human resources orgnizational grouping.  

Another beautiful peace of irony.

Durning this time all paranomral research and 
development programs were 
removed from Military, Intelligence, and Academic 
control and placed under 
the co-ordination and oversight of Strategic Tele-weapons 
Advanced 
Research and Operational Development ( S.T.A.R.O.D. ), 
including the CIA's 
Paranormal training and medical center ( designated 
CLINC during the 
seventies, and recoded HOSPITAL, during the 
reorganization ) located in 
Maine.   Substantial research and development was done 
accomplished, 
which allowed natural psi-sensatives ( who worked for 
the government ) to 
bring their talents to peak strength.  The training NET 
included a standing 
operation to recruit any and all persons exhibiting above 
normal paranormal 
ability, and control.  

Even together they are much less potent than they think 
they are.

Recruitment involved ( domestic U.S. ) sending low-level, 
regional low 
sensative psi-individuals to all New-age, Pagan, and other 
public gatherings  
and groups to test and  "feel"  for untrained, unrecruited 
individuals, who  
would  "involved"  in the program.  

Some time during the middle eighties, a group of trained, 
deep-intelligence  
paranormals went rogue, refusing to use their abilities for 
Psi-esiponage. 
This  action caused the government to begin the 
development of anti-psi 
technology, including the Suicide/Compulsion 
psychometry strategy ( 
telepathically saturating specific map locations with 
feelings of depression, 
and feelings of helplessness, compelling ANYONE with 
untrained psi ability to 
suicide.), the selective RF bombardment tactic ( 
sychronizing low level 
electro-magnetic fields and Radio Freceuncys to the 
molecular resonant 
frecquency of the brain's neuro-receptors ), etc.,.

They missed.

You can pretty much carry on the line of thought from 
here, with the data 
provided in the Confrence agenda.  The one that bothers 
me is the 
Bioweapons and structural ceramics combined research 
out of Idaho.  The 
human body doesn't reject cermaic material.  It looks like 
they want to 
implant or possibly  "improve"  the human race.  

There is not enough time left for them to implement this 
on a wide 
scale; nothing to worry about.


The following repost contains an article originally posted 
in  12 parts by Don 
Allen. For readability, I have stripped all but Don's initial 
header and final 
sig. Note that this material repeats the speculation that 
Col. John Alexander is 
Col. Hal Phillips, which I noted my disagreement with 
following the "Lobster" 
article. -Steve>

Date: Fri Dec  3 15:10:15 1993
From: ab621@leo.nmc.edu (Ron Schwarz)
Subject: UFO Conspiracy Theory
To: act@bolis.sf-bay.org
Reply-To: ab621@leo.nmc.edu
 
Someone posted a request for information on UFO 
Conspiracy Theory. 
Unfortunately, I cannot get into Finland to get at my mail, 
and I don't 
remember who it was.  Sorry.
 
What follows is a frightening (if long winded) text I found 
on Paranet a few 
days ago -- I put it all together and posted it here in 
Traverse City, which is 
where my preface was directed, so don't none of ya take 
any offence at the 
/dev/nul stuff!
 
I am posting this somewhat long-winded crosspost for 
the *sole* benefit of 
those who are concerned about the Ed Dames/John 
Alexander/Janet Reno/Al 
Gore connection.  The connection is well-known.  The 
principals are well 
documented.
 
There *is* an outfit named PSI-Tech.  Ed Dames and John 
Alexander *are* 
involved with it.  What it does is also a matter of public 
record.  Janet Reno is 
also publicly connected to John Alexander (eg, the recent 
"Non-Lethal 
Warfare" conference).
 
When the facts are examined, the blood runs cold.
 
I will acknowledge that there is a bit of a signal-to-noise 
ratio issue 
concerning this post.  Once the implications of the 
arrangement are carefully 
considered, however, it is amazing that *any* fact has 
become available to 
mere mortals.
 
Anyone wishing to further discuss this with me may do 
so at any of my 
addresses.  Anyone wishing to start a P-War over this 
post is directed to 
forward their flames to /dev/nul.

Ron
 
 
Mike Corbin could stand it no more and blurted out to 
Don Allen:
 
I am really curious here.
 
With all of this Dan Smith crapola about MJ-12, 
Pandolphin, and the others, 
what is the story on them claiming that they are the MJ-
12 group?  This is 
absolutely ludicrous!What proof have they offered, 
considering that the MJ-
12 group itself has never been proven, and for the most 
part, the documents 
have been dismissed as hoax?
 
Not MJ-12..Aviary. Not Pandolfin - Ron Pandolfi = 
"Pelican" .
 
The following is offered as a possible answer to your 
questions.
  
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the Nov-Dec 1993 
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The Aviary, the Aquarium, and Eschatology
by Vince Johnson
 
 
Eschatology:
 
1: The branch of theology concerned with the final events 
in the history of 
the world or of mankind.
 
2: A belief concerning death, the end of the world, or the 
ultimate destiny of 
mankind; specifically any of the various Christian 
doctrines concerning the 
Second Coming, the resurrection of the dead, or the Last 
Judgement.
 
 
As more than a casual observer of contemporary ufology, 
I've recently 
become aware of a what could be a significant new twist 
in popular 
perception about UFOs. For many, UFOs are not the 
manifestation of 
extraterrestrial intelligence, but instead, are a 
metaphysical phenomena -- a 
manifestation of spiritual entities. Many 
abductees/contactees are now 
characterizing their "unusual personal experiences" in a 
religious or 
metaphysical context.
 
As an unabashed secular humanist, I am skeptical of 
these claims. But there 
are several aspects of the metaphysical interpretation of 
the UFO 
phenomenon that should be considered before rejecting it 
out of hand.
 
Admittedly, a lot of what follows is based on rumor, 
hearsay and 
circumstantial evidence. Much is derived from numerous 
phone calls from 
Dan Smith, whose religious beliefs regarding the UFO 
phenomenon have 
induced a messianic zeal to "spread the Word."
 
These calls have provided a flurry of information on what 
I have previously 
termed "fringe" beliefs, as well as providing the names 
and backgrounds of 
the birds who comprise the Aviary. According to Dan, 
who undoubtedly is 
privy to a wealth of accurate, though not widely known 
UFO information, this 
data is being released through him due to the grave 
concern by high 
government officials about impending metaphysical 
catastrophe - the 
eschaton, or the end of the world.
 
Mr. Smith first came to my attention after the "Aquarium 
Conspiracy" article 
(see inset) was disseminated to computer bulletin board 
systems in the 
Spring of '93. In this article, Smith and Rosemary Ellen 
Guiley, directors of 
the Center for North American Crop Circle Studies, 
warned of an 
"eschatological emergency, "the reaction of various 
organizations--both 
inside and outside the government, and their attempt to 
establish a network 
of spiritually advanced individuals, the "Aquarium," to 
assist the Aviary in 
dealing with this crisis.
  
The "Aquarium Conspiracy" by Dan Smith and Rosemary 
Ellen Guiley
 
"In the beginning there was eschatology--the branch of 
theology dealing 
with the end times. Dan, having spent many years first 
studying physics and 
then metaphysics, came to the conclusion that the 
scientists have been 
looking at the world upside down. Mind, not matter, is 
the foundation for all 
realities. Moreover, the materialist paradigm was in 
danger of imminent 
collapse, being subverted on the inside by its own 
contradictions, and on the 
outside by the growing body of evidence for the 
paranormal. Creating and 
maintaining a reality is no easy game. It requires a lot of 
magic, and a lot of 
conscious critters like ourselves who are pretty good at 
collective self-
deception. Fortunately-- or perhaps unfortunately--our 
particular reality 
game has about reached its natural conclusion, and we 
are waking up to the 
fact that mind and matter are not separate. We are 
undergoing an exciting 
but stressful revolution in our collective consciousness. 
This revolution, or 
global spiritual emergency, will bring upheavals and 
overloads in our global 
consciousness that will impact the material Earth for 
better or worse, and 
may quickly get out of control. We also will be opening 
up to other realities 
that will be impacting us as well. Our present very tidy 
sense of reality and 
its boundaries is due to become much more fluid and 
permeable. Every 
spiritual tradition takes very seriously its prophesies 
about the end of the 
world, but for the first time we are seeing these 
prophesies turning into 
believable predictions of earth and reality changes. That 
is how Dan fell from 
physics into eschatology. After experiencing numerous 
slammed doors 
among his former scientific colleagues, he decided that 
the most logical place 
to find fellow eschatologists would be in various 
intelligence agencies and 
among investigators of the paranormal. Dan next 
addressed how to 
communicate about the eschaton. Even a small hint that 
the government is 
worried about the end of the world might start a chain 
reaction of panic, 
which could possibly serve as a trigger for the eschaton. 
On the other hand, 
people inside the government might be wanting to set up 
a kind of civil 
defense network vis a vis the eschaton, and so they 
would be looking for 
people on the outside who could much more freely 
network among the 
general public. An important link in the communication 
chain is what has 
become known as the Aviary. This is the final link next to 
the public 
network, and so it must be heavily disguised by its own 
surrealistic smoke 
screen. The Aviary functions best by amplifying people's 
own 
misconceptions about the paranormal. It does this by 
helping to overinflate 
individual pieces of the puzzle so that particular 
investigators get pushed 
further into their own blind alleys. People are encouraged 
to be so distracted 
by the trees that they fail to see the forest. This 
cacophony by people looking 
for truth in all the strangest places provides an excellent 
cover for the 
deadly serious business of clearing the decks and 
battening down the 
hatches for the eschaton event. It is like a Manhattan 
Project going on 
behind the scenes of alien grays and praying mantises 
having sex with 
humans. However, this eschaton conspiracy is being 
orchestrated by higher 
powers, and we don't mean the Committee of 300. Very 
few of the people 
even near the center of the orchestration have a clear 
picture of what is 
coming down, but they do know that something is coming 
and that they will 
have front row seats. The Manhattan Project relative to 
the eschaton is a 
global civilian network of people who will serve as a 
lightning rod for the 
cosmic energies coming in during the consciousness 
revolution. They will be 
looking to channel these energies into expanded realities. 
Thus, they will 
provide a degree of protection for those people who can 
find their places 
alongside the network. Outside of the network there will 
be greater levels of 
trauma and confusion. The pieces of the network are 
already in place, the 
remaining task is to properly activate and link the pieces 
into a critical mass 
of awareness. This last step is now underway. This is how 
an Aviary helps to 
spawn an Aquarium, and how birds learn to swim. The 
Aquarium is our 
business, and we are working to reach people who are 
ready to be activated 
in the consciousness revolution."
 
I was intrigued after reading the "Aquarium Memo" 
because it implied that 
the authors had cultivated sources within the intelligence 
community. The 
only question was whether this information was accurate 
or bogus. I drafted 
a response and uploaded it to Don Allen, moderator for 
the FIDO UFO 
conference, requesting that he forward it to Dan Smith. 
Several days later, I 
received the first of many calls from him.
 
Since Smith had alluded to his close contacts with the 
Aviary, most of my 
questions centered around this mysterious group of 
alleged UFO insiders 
comprised of scientists, military personnel, and 
inteligence analysts. Dan's 
primary contact with this group is "Pelican" who 
reportedly mans the "Wierd 
Desk" (UFOs,etc) at CIA. While Pelican's main job with the 
CIA's Directorate of 
Science and Technology is to monitor foreign 
technological developments, 
Pelican also tracks millennial/eschatological communities, 
"entering a 
twilight zone where psychic techniques are being 
generated by humans and 
other entities," says Smith.
 
According to Smith, UFOs are primarily a 
psychological/metaphysical 
phenomenon which are both preparing us and pressuring 
us to develop our 
own psi abilities. Not that UFOs are a single type of entity, 
Smith asserts that 
there are "powers and principalities" at work -- 
presumably supernatural 
entities like angels and demons.
 
Furthermore, he said that a radical program of 
parapsychological research 
and development is currently underway near Los 
Alamos, New Mexico. This 
group's development of psychokinesis, and psychotronics 
(a term used to 
denote psychic warfare techniques) represents a danger 
of eschatological 
proportions. "These techniques have been available, but 
controlled, 
throughout history. Now, other entities are forcing the 
issue," said Smith.
 
During the course of our first conversation, Smith was 
unable to provide 
much proof of his claims. He reported that his 
governmental sources "hinted 
at" an eschatological emergency. To prove the evil intent 
of the entities 
involved, he referred to reports of human mutilations in 
the Amazon which 
have been officially attribbuted to drug dealers, but 
according to his sources, 
were committed by these evil entities. When I asked why 
the CIA was 
interested in eschatology, he replied that the 
ramifications of the eschaton 
event represented a serious threat to national security, 
and thus, fell into the 
parview of the intelligence agencies.
 
Smith also revealed that the eschatological issues he 
raised related directly 
to the Biblical prophecies of the book of Revelations.
 
I thanked Mr. Smith for the call, and invited him to keep 
me abreast of 
future developments. With the addition of demons, 
angels, "black magic," 
psychotronic technology, and assorted spooks working at 
cross purposes, my 
already strained credulity was pushed a bit further.
 
 
The Aviary 
Dan proceeded to call me regularly. Each call provided 
tantalizing snippets of 
information -- some simply incredible at first hearing, 
but with confirmation 
on some of the data coming in from disparate sources all 
across the country. 
Naturally, my curiosity centered around the identities 
and activities of the 
Aviary. I suspect that many believe the Bird People to be 
cogs in a giant 
conspiracy to manage the public's perception of UFOs. Not 
necessarily so, 
according to Smith. Far from being a well-funded, 
omnipotent secret society 
of the guardians of UFO data, the Aviary is nothing more 
than an ad hoc 
group of highly-placed "UFO buffs."
 
Initially, the factor that seemed most important was that 
Pelican was being 
so forthcoming -- presumably with the knowledge and 
consent of his 
superiors at CIA.  This in itself forced me to conclude that 
there are two 
possible motives for all this apparent glasnost:
 
1. There is indeed an eschatological emergency as 
described by Dan Smith, 
i.e. fulfillment of biblical prophesy with attendent 
catastrophes; and/or
 
2. There is a new twist to the ol' UFO debunking game, 
capitalizing on new-
age mysticism and millennial "apocophilia."
 
Frankly, I lean towards the second explanation. After all, 
Smith himself 
described the Aviary as "amplifying people's own 
misconceptions about the 
paranormal. It does this by helping to overinflate 
individual pieces of the 
puzzle so that particular investigators get pushed further 
into their own 
blind alleys." I've personally been occupied by this 
ongoing saga for many 
months -- a "blind alley?" I wish I knew, but in either 
case, Pelican's 
involvement in this affair raises the ante significantly.
 
Has something changed? Could we really be facing 
biblical "End Times?" As I 
mentioned previously, I would have laughed-off such 
suggestions a few 
months ago. However, Smith's references to "out of 
control" psychotronic 
research proved to be more substantive than I first 
realized.
 
The Aviary is believed to be comprised of:
Bruce Maccabee (Seagull) - Well-known Naval 
photograhic expert who 
verified the authenticity of the Gulf Breeze photos, a 
MUFON consultant and 
member of the Board of Directors of the Fund for UFO 
Research.
 
Hal Puthoff, PhD. (Owl) - Physicist with the Institute for 
Advanced 
Research in Austin, Texas who specializes in Zero-Point 
Energy, a quantum 
phenomenon that could provide "free energy." Puthoff 
was once involved in 
remote-viewing experiments at the Stanford Research 
Institute.
 
Dale Graff (Raven) - Performed contract oversight for the 
DIA at Wright 
Patterson AFB. Most recently, Graff was the chief of the 
DIA's Defense 
Technology/Special department. Rumored to be an 
abductee, and involved in 
"black magic" and psychotronic programs at Los Alamos, 
but fired recently 
by DIA. Smith says that Graff is the head of the "military" 
UFO working 
group at Los Alamos.
 
Jack Vorona (bird name unknown) - Vorona is apparently 
the most covert 
of all the Birds. He is believed to have been a liason 
between Capitol Hill and 
Los Alamos. Was once involved in Project Sleeping 
Beauty, an attempt to 
disable enemy troops using electromagnetic radiation. 
Vorona has recently 
"vanished," and his present whereabouts are unknown.
 
Richard Doty (Falcon) - Former AFOSI agent. Directly 
involved in the 
Bennewitz affair, and the attempt to funnel UFO 
information (or 
disinformation) concerning UFO briefing documents for 
the President to 
Linda Moulton Howe. Allegedly responsible for leaking 
bogus UFO reports 
while in AFOSI at Kirtland AFB. Currently employed by 
the New Mexico state 
police stationed in Dulce, New Mexico.
 
Christopher "Kit" Green MD, PhD. (Bluejay) - Pelican's 
predecessor at the 
"Wierd Desk" at CIA.  According to Smith, Green at one 
time had autopsy 
reports and photos of a UFO that crashed in a foreign 
country. Dr. Green is 
currently the chief of the Biomedical Sciences Dept. for 
General Motors. The 
CIA awarded him the National Intelligence Medal for his 
work on a classified 
project during the period 1979 to 1983.
 
Robert Collins (Condor) - Former Captain, USAF. Involved 
in the Bennewitz 
affair, and probably participated in the scheme (with 
Richard Doty) to 
release UFO information/ disinformation to Linda 
Moulton Howe at Kirtland 
AFB.
 
Ernie Kellerstraus (Hawk) - While working at Wright 
Patterson AFB in the 
'70s, he along with Bob Collins and Dale Graff are said to 
have
supplied information to William Moore. Kellerstraus is 
rumored to have lived 
with an alien for a while (?), and is probably the source 
for the story 
concerning the aliens' preference for "strawberry ice 
cream".
 
Scott Jones (Chickadee) - Well-connected, well-funded 
(by Laurence 
Rockefeller) head of the Human Potential Foundation. 
Former aid to Sen. 
Claiborne Pell, who has had a long-standing interest in 
UFOs and the 
paranormal. Jones is a MUFON Consultant with numerous 
highly placed 
government sources who consistently finds "no interest 
by government in 
UFOs."
 
Bill Moore - (bird name unknown) This former Minnesota 
school teacher 
may have initiated a new regime in regards to ufology by 
the publication of 
"The Roswell Incident." This in itself may have been the 
single event that 
began the stripping away of decades of well-guarded UFO 
secrecy. His 
involvement in the Aviary seems to be either one of 
active coordination of 
the other Birds, or simply as a dupe, such as in the 
Bennewitz affair.
 
John Alexander (Penquin) - Former colonel in Army 
Intelligence (INSCOM). 
Rumored to be involved in the Army's UFO research. 
Member of the board of 
directors of Psi Tech. Currently, head of "non-lethal" 
weapons program (see 
"Secret Conference" article) at Los Alamos. Said to be 
briefing Vice President 
Gore on the UFO phenomenon and psi projects.
 
"Pelican," PhD - Pelican is a physicist with the CIA's 
Directorate of Science 
and Technology, who mans the "Wierd Desk" (UFOs, etc) 
at CIA.
 
 
Apparently, it is Pelican who provided the bulk of the 
information that 
Smith tirelessly passed on. Smith says that Pelican has 
received some heat 
from his superiors for becoming so visible due to the AIR 
#1 report on Bruce 
Maccabee's relationship to the CIA.
 
Psi-Tech
Psi-Tech is a private company that claims to provide its 
clients remote 
viewing services. Remote viewing is the act of psychically 
perceiving places 
or events at a distance. These techniques were learned 
during his stint with 
the US Army's Intelligence and Security Command 
(INSCOM), according to 
Major Ed Dames (ret.) , president of Psi-Tech, who 
describes his operation 
thusly (taken from a Psi-Tech brochure):
 
PSI TECH, Inc. was founded in 1989 to perform 
specialized proprietary 
studies for science and industry on a contract basis.
 
PSI TECH consists of a select, technically qualified group 
of professional 
analysts who provide a unique data collection capability 
not available 
anywhere else in the world.  We are a team of highly 
trained Remote 
Viewing specialists.
 
Remote Viewing has been validated by governmental and 
private scientific 
groups over the last two decades.  Briefly stated, a 
remote viewer is able to 
locate and accurately describe things and events distant 
in time and space.
 
PSI TECH has developed applied remote viewing into a 
powerful 
investigative tool.  Our disciplined team of experts 
combines more than forty 
man-years of applied remote viewing experience.
 
The rigorous target acquisition, data collection, and 
analytic protocols that we 
employ guarantee products and solutions of high value to 
PSI TECH 
customers.
 
PSI TECH can rapidly provide you with reliable 
information that simply may 
not be available via any other means!
 
PSI-TECH currently employs nine highly experienced 
remote viewers. The 
company also utilizes Ingo Swann as a subcontractor. Mr. 
Swann is 
internationally recognized as this country's premier 
natural psychic. He 
discovered and developed the proprietary methods now 
used by our 
company to train and conduct technical remote viewing.
 
PSI-TECH has appointed two outside directors from 
science and industry. 
Additionally. we have at our disposal an adjunct 
Technical Analysis Team 
consisting of a multidisciplinary group of distinguished 
scientists, engineers, 
and medical doctors from national labs, major 
corporations and universities. 
These individuals provide analytical support to PSI-TECH 
technical 
intelligence collection projects as required.
 
PSI-TECH training and operations performance standards 
are exacting. we 
require military precision on the part of our remote 
viewers. Each viewer 
works independently and does not collaborate or 
compare data with other 
viewers. The training program employed to install those 
unique skills which 
enable the production of calibrated,  consistent and 
accurate results is 
rigorous.
 
While at work a viewer's mind-body state could he 
generally characterized 
as one of high attention. To an unwitting observer a PSI-
TECH viewer could 
easily be mistaken for someone engaged in an attempt to 
solve a difficult 
math or science problem. Conscious focus shifts between 
the tasks of 
directing the trained unconscious in a systematic 
exploration of the assigned 
target, breaking out (decoding) the target-associated 
gestalt patterns of 
information, then rendering the data as detailed words 
and sketches, (or 
models if necessary). Meticulous attention to technical 
remote viewing 
structure is required not only to correctly acquire the 
target and maintain 
lock-on but additionally to disallow subconscious analysis 
and/or 
imagination from interfering with the unconsciously 
acquired signal.
 
Dames, a retired major in US Army Intelligence, is 
apparently "being all that 
he can be," bringing the skills he learned while in the 
Army to the 
marketplace. He claims that Psi-Tech has performed 
these projects to date: 
Enigma Penetration: The Tunguska Event; Enigma 
Technologies: Advanced 
Deep Space Propulsion Systems; Clandestine Iraqi 
Biological Weapons 
Facilities (Gratis in support of the United Nations CBW 
Inspection Team); A 
Relook of the KAL Flight 007 Shoot- down; Atmospheric 
Ozone Depletion - 
Projected Consequences and Remedial Technologies; and 
the Saint-Exupery 
Crash Site.
 
I'm sure we'd all like to find out what Psi Tech's RVing 
has discovered on 
these events, however, Dames regrets to inform us that 
this is "proprietary" 
information gleaned under contract. This would be 
interesting enough on its 
own, but Dames claims that fully 60% of his company's 
time is spent RVing 
(remote viewing) UFOs!
 
Here are a few of Mr. Dames statements regarding UFOs 
(from a phone 
conversation with Dan Smith):
 
RV's of many UFO events are blocked by external agency, 
(cosmic 
censorship?).
 
UFO type viewing encounters two types of entities: aliens 
and angels. Aliens 
are more physical with quasi-physical type craft. They 
are in trouble and 
need our resources, which they take, and if humans are 
involved they 
recieve mental impressions to confuse what is really 
going on.  The angels 
are policing these alien activities.  The angels technology 
is more concerned 
with the mental and transcendental or metaphysical 
domains.
 
Ed uses the terms ground zero or ground truth to refer to 
a spot in SW US 
where much of their work is done. The angels led them to 
this spot, 
indicating that it would be a good place for contacting 
aliens, about 10 years 
ago.  Various forms of contact then occurred.
 
Dames discussed eschatological implications at some 
length. His group gets 
indications of unavoidable bad stuff in the next couple of 
decades. 
Deleterious climate changes, storms adversely effecting 
agriculture.  He also 
foresees a quasi-public contact with UFOs near the 
ground zero site, within 
one and a half years (August, 1993).  It would be an 
ongoing contact, of a 
prophetic sort with both Angels and Aliens involved.  His 
review committee 
will work out possible coverage.  He is not so concerned 
about a global 
spiritual emergency, as about the physical 
(meteorological?) emergencies.
 
So there you have it... UFOs plus psychic adepts equals 
End of the World.
 
Of course, one could dismiss Dames as a bunko artist 
selling his $6,000-
$8,000 a week services to an affluent but gullible 
clientele. But before 
dismissing Dames' claims, readers should be aware of a 
few other pertinent 
facts. On the Psi-Tech board of directors are two fairly 
high-level players; 
General Albert Stubblebine (US Army Intelligence, ret.), 
and Colonel John 
Alexander (ret.) both formerly of the US Army's 
Intelligence and Security 
Command (INSCOM).
 
Stubblebine, former commander of INSCOM, gave a 
presentation at the 
International Symposium on UFO Research (sponsored by 
the International 
Association for New Science, Denver CO, May 22-25, 
1992) on the subject of 
"Remote Viewing as a Research Tool." In this 
presentation, Stubblebine 
described remote viewing:
 
"It is independent of time, OK? So I can go past, I can go 
present, I can go 
future. It is independent of locations, so I can go 
anywhere on this earth. I 
can go into any closet, I can go into any mind,  I can 
access that information 
at any location that I choose."
 
On the subject of RVing UFOs, Stubblebine said:
 
"As far as UFOs are concerned, they can be accessed, they 
can be tracked, we 
have looked at the propulsion system for them, that's not 
a hard job, you can 
track them back to where they come from, whether they 
come from a place 
here on this planet or whether they come from a place on 
another planet, 
they are trackable and you can take a look inside as well 
as outside, so again, 
it is a tool that is available to be used for the UFO 
research and I guess, I 
guess that's the reason that I am standing on this 
platform in spite of my 
misgivings and feeling a little bit nervous like a tree in a 
Lassie movie."
 
Stubblebine also claimed that his remote viewing of the 
planet Mars had 
revealed structures and machines operating both on and 
below the Martian 
surface.
 
Many suspect that John Alexander is the "colonel" 
referred to in Howard 
Blum's recent book, "Out There". In this book, Blum 
described a group of 
remote viewers in the Pentagon who frequently 
encountered UFOs in their 
psychic "sorties" to locate Soviet submarines. Alexander 
seems to have an 
extremely eclectic background -- he received a PhD. in 
Thanatology (the 
study of death and near-death experiences) from 
Georgetown University 
under the tutelage of the celebrated Dr. Elisabeth Kubler-
Ross. Apparently, 
Alexander is a "mind-control" junkie, having studied 
everything from Silva 
Mind Control, to a stint in a Buddhist monastery.
 
When the National Research Council issued its findings 
that there was no 
evidence of paranormal phenomena, Alexander wrote a 
critique of the report 
that was both passionate and eloquent. In this rebuttal, 
he compared the 
report's apparent a priori conclusions to the Condon 
Commission's report on 
UFOs. Interestingly, Alexander is widely believed to have 
been instrumental 
in the Army's UFO Intelligence activities, and is rumored 
to have assisted in 
the investigation of the Cash/Landrum UFO-injury case.
 
In addition to his Psi-Tech work, Alexander currently 
heads a research 
project at Los Alamos, New Mexico, focused on "non-
lethal" military 
technology. "Non- lethal" in the conventional parlance 
refers to methods of 
eroding an enemy's war-making capabilities without the 
excessive death and 
destruction that could possibly harden an enemy's 
resolve to fight, or cause a 
moral revulsion in our own population that could weaken 
political resolve to 
continue a war until U.S. military objectives could be 
achieved. Wiping-out 
enemy radars and communication electronics through 
powerful 
electromagnetic pulses (EMP) is one type of non-lethal 
weapon, spraying 
roads and railroad tracks with a super-slippery lubricant, 
thereby paralyzing 
transportation, is another.
 
Alexander has been mentioned almost synonomously 
with non-lethal 
weapons technology in many mainstream news reports, 
including a lengthy 
piece in the Wall Street Journal. He is also rumored to be 
a candidate for an 
Undersecretary of Defense appointment in the Clinton 
administration.
 
Surprisingly, Army Intelligence RV operations has 
become married, literally, 
with some prominent figures in UFO abductions research. 
Albert Stubblebine 
is now married to Dr. Rima Laibow, whose scholarly 
paper on the abduction 
phenomenon was the first (as far as I know) to address 
the issue in the 
mental-health community. John Alexander is now 
married to the former 
Victoria Lacas, Dr. Laibow's close associate.
 
This list of strange bedfellows gets even stranger when 
you add the name of 
CSETI founder and head honcho, Steven Greer, M.D., into 
the mix. As it turns 
out, Greer, whose modus operandi incorporates shining 
blinking lights and 
laser beams at UFOs in the hopes of establishing 
communications with the 
ufonauts, was trained in remote viewing by Ed Dames. In 
fact, it was Dr. 
Greer who introduced Stubblebine at the Denver 
symposium.
 
So, what we have so far is that several former high-
ranking military 
personnel (Stubblebine, Alexander,and Dames) who were 
involved in 
"psychic" research while in Army Intelligence, and who 
are now actively 
involved in the UFO research community. Further, Dames 
has staked his 
company's professional reputation on the prediction that 
an overt contact 
with aliens will occur in the Four Corners area by August 
of 1993. Naturally, 
August came and went without incident.
 
One of ufology's more cogent analysts, who is convinced 
of the reality of 
remote viewing based on his own personal search, told 
me that Dames' 
activities had resulted in the successful discrediting of 
both UFOs and remote 
viewing. Was this the plan all along or is Dames just a 
charlatan?
 
"Black" Projects
Dan Smith explained that the reason that so much 
information was being 
disseminated was due to the eschatological implications 
of the psychotronic 
research underway at covert government research 
facilities.
 
It would seem unlikely that this type of technology is 
currently feasible. 
After all, if the government had access to psychotronic 
weapons, why didn't 
they induce Saddam Hussein to stroll naked through the 
streets of Baghdad, 
asking his subjects to admire his new clothes; or simply 
cause a major blood 
vessel in his brain to burst?
 
But Smith sincerely believes that such technologies are 
being developed, 
specifically under the guise of "non-lethal" weapons 
research, such as that 
headed by John Alexander. Smith says, point-blank, that 
this technology is 
nothing less than "black magic."
 
Supposedly, this business is taken so seriously at upper 
echelons that the 
Secret Service retrieved all of the bloody bandages 
discarded after Ronald 
Reagan was wounded in an assassination attempt, lest the 
president's blood 
be used in a "black magic" ritual that could influence his 
behavior. I suppose 
this story is somewhat more credible after the 
revelations concerning the 
Reagan's "court astrologer."
 
According to Dan Smith, use of these psychotronic 
techniques entail a 
perilous threat to democracy -- potentially, a type of 
instantaneous mass 
mind control to program a pesky proletariat -- and 
worse.
 
These claims should be taken into context of published 
papers on the ability 
to induce auditory sensations through microwave 
bombardment at certain 
frequencies. In Alexander's book, "The Warrior's Edge" 
(with Morris and 
Grollier), he states matter of factly that remote viewing 
and psychokinesis 
are not only real, but have predictable, practical 
applications. Indeed, the 
focus of the book is how to utilize mind control 
techniques to achieve an 
advantage over one's adversaries.
 
There's absolutely no telling what Cold War ethics 
combined with unlimited 
budgets and zero accountability could have wrought in 
terms of 
Frankensteinian scenarios. To ellucidate this point, I 
present this extract 
from a paper by Ray Boeche, a Lincoln, Nebraska, 
theologian and Fortean 
researcher.
 
"To all interested researchers:
The following is an edited version of material given to me 
in late 1991 - 
early 1992, by two scientists who claim to be working in 
weapons research 
and development for the Department of Defense.
 
I am not in a position to comment on the truthfulness or 
accuracy of the 
information. The two men who have spoken to me do, in 
fact, exist,
and for all intents and purposes seem to be who and 
what they claim. The 
very nature of the claims makes verification difficult, if 
not impossible.
 
Divulging this information was the result of a moral 
dilemma, when these 
two individuals, both Christians, became alarmed at the 
course their research 
efforts into psychotronic weapons was taking under the 
direction of their 
(unnamed) superiors. They described an obsessive effort 
to contact and 
attempt to control what they referred to as "non-human 
intelligences" (NHI), 
and to harness these NHI for military and intelligence 
uses.
 
The efforts had progressed well past attempts at practical 
applications of 
David Bohm's theories, and had grown to encompass the 
use of, according to 
their statements, "satanic rituals / ritual magic along the 
lines of that 
espoused by Aleister Crowley, including human 
sacrifices."
 
These gentlemen stated their concerns that, even when 
they were 
apparently able to harness or channel these forces or 
abilities for "good" 
uses, the force would "turn," and ultimately all of those 
subjects involved 
suffered varying degrees of negative effects from contact 
with these forces. 
They are convinced that what is being tapped into in all 
instances is evil, and 
that this research should cease.
 
Contact has continued on a limited basis, with no new 
information of 
significance forthcoming."
 
After speculation as to the physics of the paranormal, 
Boeche sums up the 
startling details he received:
 
Information given, but not allowed to note during 
meeting: Discussion of 
individuals killed during psychotronic weapons 
experiments.
 
1.  Male, white, 25-30 yrs., allegedly death by remotely 
induced cardiac 
arrest.
 
2.  Female, white, 20-25 yr., allegedly death by remotely 
transmitting and 
creating head trauma equivalent to crushing of right 
anterior portion of the 
skull.
 
3.  Male, white, 30-40 yrs., allegedly death by remotely 
controlled 
suffocation.
 
Setting was in a laboratory environment. Alleged victims 
were wired for EEG 
& EKG, seated in reclining chair, somewhat similar to 
dentist's chair.
 
In efforts to establish contact with non-human 
intelligences, every avenue is 
being explored.  Satanic rituals involving human sacrifice 
have been 
performed. Much study is/has been given to writings of 
Crowley.
 
Bentwaters experiment was the projection of an actual, 
physical three- 
dimensional object, which could and did interact with its 
environment, but 
was create and controlled by individuals involved in this 
research.
 
No project names were given because the sources were 
too concerned that a 
leak would be traced back to them."
 
Mr. Boeche used the term "scripted" (i.e. slow enough to 
allow for copious 
note-taking, except when he was asked to cease writing 
during the 
descriptions of the psychotronically induced deaths) to 
describe the 
presentation delivered by the two putative DoD scientists. 
In my 
communications with Mr. Boeche, he was at a loss to 
explain why the two 
DoD scientists were still working on projects they found 
to be morally 
repugnant, and if they really wanted to blow the whistle 
on this activity, 
why did they reveal it to an obscure ufologist and not the 
New York Times or 
"Nightline." I have to agree with Boeche's assessment that 
the story is 
probably disinformation for some unknown purpose.
 
The only question here is -- what could the motivation 
be?
 
The story related by Ray Boeche is supported by Dan 
Smith's thesis, i.e. 
humans are messing with forces that are getting out of 
control, perhaps with 
disastrous consequences. According to Smith, these 
"sorcerer's apprentices" 
are going at it hot and heavy at government 
psychotronics labs in or near 
Los Alamos, New Mexico.
 
It has been rumored that there have already been 
several high-level 
meetings between those who are concerned about secret 
psi/UFO programs 
and representatives of the Clinton administration. 
According to one rumor, 
Pelican met with Jack Gibbons, the White House Science 
Advisor. Gibbons is 
reported to have responded that "the President shouldn't 
touch this topic 
with a 10-foot pole." Instead, meetings concerning these 
"black" psi/UFO 
projects have been channeled through the Vice-
President's office under the 
cover story of "alternate energy sources." There have also 
been meetings 
with Senate Intelligence Committee Chief of Staff, Dick 
DiAmato, who is said 
to be interested in the ongoing strangeness at Area 51.
 
Variations on this rumor have John Alexander as the 
contact with the Clinton 
administration. This makes a certain amount of sense, in 
that Alexander 
knows Al Gore from his days as a Senator, when he 
taught several 
Congressmen, including Gore, some basic Neuro-Linguistic 
Programming 
techniques.
 
Interestingly, the subject of "Presidential Haircuts" may 
be connected to this 
affair. It has been independently reported to me that Mr. 
Clinton had 
another delay on the tarmac in Los Alamos, after his tour 
of high-tech 
research facilities in the area. This was just days before 
the LAX / Christophe 
incident. The inference from this is that either the 
President's hair must 
grow very fast, or else highly secure meetings are 
occuring on airport 
runways (presumably Air Force 1 is bug-free).
 
A Conversation with Pelican
In order to give Pelican an opportunity to confirm or 
deny the eschatological 
scenario presented by Dan Smith, I gave him a call. 
Readers who expect 
dramatic revelations will be disappointed, although 
Pelican did provide some 
interesting tidbits.
 
First, he sounded much younger than I expected. Second, 
he had a very 
sharp sense of humor (I had to laugh out loud several 
times during the 
course of our conversation). I limited my questions to the 
subjects of 
eschatology and the Aviary. His answers seemed 
forthright -- he didn't seem 
stressed to avoid any particular topic, and I found him to 
be quite 
convincing.
 
My first question dealt with with Dan's statements 
concerning dangerous 
"black" programs that were out of control.  Curiously, 
Pelican responded that 
"Dan isn't cleared for that kind of information" -- not 
exactly a repudiation of 
Dan's story.
 
Pelican did admit that he talks to Dan frequently -- about 
physics. When I 
told him that Dan had been claiming to be a "conduit" for 
semi-official 
information from him, Pelican rather ambiguously stated, 
"He may very well 
be doing that... I talk to him once in a while and we share 
information. I 
really don't tell him anything that's classified or work-
related... he certainly 
isn't functioning in the role of a conduit for me."
 
I quoted Dan Smith's statement to the effect that "the 
best place to find 
fellow eschatologists was in the intelligence agencies," to 
which Pelican 
responded "he didn't find any here" at CIA.
 
I inquired about the status of psychotronic weapons 
research. Pelican was 
dismissive of the entire subject, calling it "modern-day 
shamanism." He also 
stated that psychotronics is only taken seriously in 
countries like Russia and 
China that do not have the rigorous peer-reviewed 
scientific establishment 
such as in the U.S.
 
I raised the subject of Psi Tech, and Ed Dames' risking his 
company's 
reputation on his prediction of an overt alien contact in 
the Chaco Canyon 
area by the end of August '93. "What reputation? It's a 
joke... the only 
paying customer Psi Tech has ever had was Dan Smith 
himself, who gave Psi 
Tech $3,000 to remote view a crop circle being made," 
Pelican responded. I 
asked about the high-level personnel on Psi Tech's board 
of directors like 
Stubblebine and Alexander. Pelican was dismissive of 
Stubblebine, 
recounting that Stubblebine's nick-name was "General 
Spoonbender," due to 
his belief in psychic phenomena. Pelican holds Alexander 
in considerably 
higher regard, however, stating, "he's a friend of mine."
 
Next, I asked about the Aviary. According to Pelican, the 
Aviary is nothing 
more than the product of the somewhat-deranged mind 
of "Falcon," retired 
Air Force Captain Robert Collins, who worked in Foreign 
Technology 
Assessment in regards to missile technology -- not AFOSI 
as is widely 
believed. Pelican said that Collins was discharged from 
the Air Force after 
breaching the security perimeter at the Manzano nuclear 
weapons storage 
facility at Kirtland AFB.
 
When taken into custody by base security, Collins told 
them he was there "to 
meet the President." He was discharged shortly thereafter 
(Dan says that this 
incident was orchestrated by Bill Moore, with the hapless 
Collins left twisting 
in the wind).
 
Soon after his discharge, Collins began mailing letters 
"...with my real name 
and address on the outside, and my codename on the 
inside," said Pelican, 
who considered these mailings such a hoot that he posted 
them on his office 
wall for the entertainment of his CIA colleagues.
 
All in all, an interesting conversation, but I was (as the 
reader undoubtedly 
is now) more confused than ever.
 
Of course, nobody is shocked any more by government 
denials that turn out 
to be less than truthful, but as I said before, Pelican was 
very convincing. He 
reiterated Dan Smith's proviso that I keep his name 
confidential -- not to 
keep him from being deluged by UFO kooks, but rather, 
so he wouldn't 
receive unwanted attention from foreign agents -- a 
condition that I'll honor, 
even though Pelican's real name is already well known to 
researchers 
following this story.
 
Alien Eschatology
Against this flurry of phone calls, rumors, denials, and 
confirmations, 
HUFON's own abduction research has uncovered an 
eschatological angle. It 
seems even the abductors are getting on the eschatology 
band-wagon with 
abductees reportedly meeting (or at least perceiving) 
God, Jesus, dead 
relatives, and the like, often with dire warnings 
concerning "the end of the 
world."
 
Senior HUFON abductions investigator Dale Musser does 
not take these 
accounts at face value, nor does he reject them outright. 
Musser had this to 
say about "spiritual" aspects of the abduction 
phenomenon:
 
"This theory is one held by a number of abductees.  Most 
of these abductees 
have been told by the abductors that the aliens have the 
right (implication of 
a divine nature) to do the things they are doing to the 
abductees. That they 
are here to save the earth (exact means of doing this vary 
from subject to 
subject) and to help us.  Usually the abductee is told they 
were "chosen" and 
are made to feel important because of this selection. 
Often they are told that 
at a later date they will 'know what to do,'  or they will 
"understand when 
the time is right."  The true nature of the beings 
themselves is never 
explained, but left to the individual to determine.  Many 
believe them to 
possibly be angels, or other entities, in service to a deity. 
There does not 
seem to be any clearly defined message, nor are the 
messages consistent 
from one abductee to another.

"There are several problems with this theory from an 
investigative 
standpoint. First there is even less proof for their 
statements than for the 
abduction itself. The vagueness of the messages certainly 
does not relate to 
trying to convince us of their concern about the issues. 
Second, the means 
and methods of relaying the messages have the lowest 
probability of 
achieving results. Third, the messages given are usually 
interpreted after an 
event has occurred rather then before, therefore, one 
never knows for sure 
if that's what was truly intended.  Most events predicted, 
or messages 
conveyed which are to be understood later, almost never 
happen, and those 
that do are subject to question. Fourth, the religious 
significance of the 
abductors is usually relevant to the belief system of the 
abductee. It is not 
universal to all abductees.
 
"It would appear the abductors 'access' the belief system 
of the abductee and 
play back a scenario that will be acceptable to the 
abductees and make them 
more cooperative. If the individual is Judeo-Christian, the 
aliens and their 
purposes will appear to fit within that system. If the 
subject is a Buddhist, 
the scenario will be within that belief system. However 
this is not always 
true. In one case, an abductee (who was Christian) was 
presented with a 
totally pagan and mythical belief scenario.  A mistake, or 
a test? Who 
knows?
 
"What we do know is that there does not appear to be 
any consistency to 
information in these events other than making the 
individual believe the 
abductors are here on some sort of divine mission. It is 
interesting to note 
that atheists seldom have encounters where they are 
presented with 
religious scenarios. Often they are presented with the 
idea the aliens are 
here to help us prevent the same fate which supposedly 
befell their own 
world. It is hard to believe there is any truth to these 
spiritual connections 
and beliefs when so many differing ones are presented, 
some in conflict with 
the other.  The conclusion one could draw from the data 
presented is 
"whatever works, they will use."
 
 
So, the abducting entities can't seem to keep their stories 
straight.  One 
would expect at least consistency from advanced alien 
beings, heavenly 
angels or demons from hell -- whatever they may be.
 
Novelist Whitley Strieber, whose abduction experiences 
are described 
vividly in his non-fiction books, "Communion" and 
"Transformation" 
recounted that when he asked the entities what they 
were up to, they 
responded "We recycle souls." He too was shown "lessons" 
concerning a 
catastrophe affecting the earth.
 
Strieber, who has become "alienated" from organized 
ufology due to his 
refusal to categorize the entities he encountered as 
extraterrestrial aliens, 
can only characterize the phenomenon as "not a dream, 
not a hallucination, 
and not real - something else."
 
Which brings me back to the subject at hand: what is 
going on?
 
In a word, confusion. There seems to be no correlation 
between the 
perceived abduction events and Dan Smith's 
eschatological emergency 
caused by the practice of "black magic." Smith does seem 
to be hedging his 
bets at times. He has told me that the eschaton event 
could be a "benign 
eschaton," consisting of a universal and positive shift in 
human behavior due 
to Revealed Truth. I could go for that...
 
Just as occurred in the waning days of the year 999, 
when millennialism 
swept through Europe causing a virtual societal 
breakdown, today there is a 
growing millennialist movement where many of the 
faithful foresee a period 
of catastrophic "Earth changes," and Armageddon, the 
fulfillment of biblical 
prophesy.
 
Fundamentalist Christians eagerly await this disaster 
because it will usher in 
a thousand-year kingdom of Jesus on Earth.
 
New-Age channelers are also getting into the act with 
messages from angels/ 
avatars/aliens warning of imminent "Earth changes" 
along with warnings 
against gun control, Zionism, the "New World Order," and 
other right-wing 
paranoid delusions.
 
When considering these claims, one would be remiss in 
not pointing out the 
upsurge in reports of Blessed Virgin Mary (BVM) 
sightings, and other 
paranormal events of religious significance to the 
experiencers. As with the 
many New Age channeled messages, many of the 
reported Marion locutions 
warn of "Earth changes" and the "End Times." Starting in 
1981, the most 
spectacular and long-lasting BVM visitation (with scads of 
witnesses to the 
"miracles") occurred in Medjugorje, on the Adriatic coast 
of Bosnia 
Herzegovinia, now one of the most horrifi hell-holes on 
the planet. So much 
for the positive spiritual effects one might expect from 
from such beatific 
locutions. Maybe things just aren't what they seem.
 
Anyone familiar with UFO-abduction accounts is forced to 
conclude that 
weird things are happening or at least being perceived as 
happening by 
large numbers of otherwise sane, functional peopIe. Some 
of these 
abductions reports are so bizarre, and with so many 
similarities to BVM 
encounters, that many thoughtful researchers have 
abandoned the 
extraterrestrial hypothesis in favor of the metaphysical 
or interdimensional 
hypothesis.
 
Dr. Jacques Vallee has even incorporated the high 
strangeness of these 
events into his comprehensive catalogue of close 
encounters under the rubric 
of "reality transformation."
 
As author/futurist Arthur C. Clark is quoted as saying, 
any sufficiently 
advanced technology will be indistinguishable from 
magic.  David Mayo took 
this concept a step further when he stated that if 
advanced technology 
appears to be magic, then technology an order of 
magnitude beyond that 
could have the appearance of nonsense to our primitive 
simian brains.
 
But if there really is such a thing as "black magic," and 
government scientists 
are experimenting with it, I suspect that they could be 
blindly running the 
same risks in dealing with such unknown forces as the 
19th-century 
scientists who thought nothing of casually handling 
radium and other 
radioactive materials.
 
With the clock inexorably ticking off the seconds until 
midnight, December 
31, 1999 (a date that seems to have some special 
significance to the 
millennialists) eschatological fervor will undoubtedly 
increase. Meanwhile, 
whoever or whatever is behind the UFO phenomenon is 
apparently doing 
everything possible to keep the true nature of this 
mystery from being 
understood.
 
But rather than being an indicator of biblical "End Times" 
or "Earth changes," 
the barrage of UFO reports, BVM sightings, abduction 
accounts, channeled 
messages, religious hysteria, and inside poop from the 
CIA are probably 
nothing more than further attempts to distort the signal 
with more noise.
 
Many thanks to Robert Durant, Dale Musser, Ray Boeche, 
George Hansen, Ron 
Madeley and of course, Dan Smith for their assistance on 
this story.
 


Monster in the Wilderness

by C. Zickuhr

The HAARP project being constructed near Gakona, Alaska will create the
largest-of-its-kind ionospheric heater using computer controlled radio frequency
transmitters.  HAARP, which stands for High Frequency Active Auroral Research
Project, is a joint effort of the Air Force and the Navy.  HAARP program
manager, John Heckscher, claims that it is a research project with both military
and civilian benefits yet only military experiments can be found in the
documentation for the project.  The acronym implies something to do with the
aurora, but none of the project papers mention that aspect.  What sounds like an
engineering feat deserving of public accolade, has remained suspiciously low
profile, almost unknown to most Alaskans as well as the rest of the country.

Documents acquired from the Office of Naval Research via the Freedom Of
Information Act reveal a more ominous purpose for HAARP.  According to these
documents, the U.S. military believes the former Soviet Union has similar
heaters with which they claim to have achieved higher levels of ionospheric
reaction than possible so far in the "West".  Although smaller in size than the
HAARP project, there are many other ground based transmitting heaters in
operation around the world; Tromso, Norway and Arecibo, Puerto Rico among them.
Can these heaters already be changing the weather, and have they somehow
contributed to the recent climate-based catastrophes in the U.S?  Might
migratory species traveling through the "rays" have already experienced
irreversible damage?  How many humans have contracted cancers that might have
remained dormant if not "excited" by these transmissions?  When Russia's
Zhirinovsky speaks of secret weapons, is he referring to their version of HAARP?


HAARP first came to my attention in the spring of 1993, when a neighbor and
airline pilot brought me materials on the project.  The FAA had briefed
commercial pilots in Alaska on changes needed to avoid interference from future
HAARP transmissions.  As a ham radio operator, my neighbor assumed that I had
some knowledge of the "giant transmitter" and its effect on other
communications.  After making inquiries to other hams, a few recalled seeing
announcements for public meetings in Glenallen and Anderson, Alaska.  Several
then attended these Draft Environmental Impact meetings and gathered
information.

FAA personnel, pilots, communications engineers and others raised serious
questions during the HAARP Draft Environmental Impact Statement process.
According to official statements, these questions were all properly addressed in
the Final Environmental Impact Statement (FEIS).  Closer examination reveals a
different story.  Local FAA engineers, aware of the heavy safety dependency of
airplane communications, voiced strong objections.  The national FAA, however,
overrode these objections and gave HAARP the green light after "assurances" that
lower level concerns would be accommodated.  The FEIS admits that all forms of
radio communication are subject to interference, yet completely ignores the
concerns expressed in many of the comments.  Individuals, organizations and
agencies that use radio for their day-to-day livelihood were left with a "let us
know and we'll try to mitigate it" promise.  It is important to remember the
definition of mitigation is "to reduce", not "to eliminate".  What recourse does
the Alaskan Bush communicator have when their radio transmissions are rendered
useless by HAARP?  That is their only form of communication.

The FEIS and other Department of Defense documents indicate that interference
problems would be too great to allow it to be located near other military
facilities in Alaska.  What kind of monster is it that they can't even locate it
near existing military bases?  Even the National Telecommunications and
Information Administration (NTIA) has reservations about HAARP transmissions.
They would only permit one of the test sites (Mineral Wells, Texas) to operate
and so far have declined to extend all the requested frequency/power privileges
necessary for the Alaska site.  The enormous lobbying power of the military may
overwhelm reason and force the NTIA to go along with the HAARP request.  After
all, Gakona is a "virtually uninhabited" area of the world.

Electromagnetic radiation has drawn increasing interest in the form of health
impact studies and research worldwide.  The HAARP project will generate massive
amounts of intentional and some unintentional radiation.  The HAARP
environmental impact statements deny possible biological effects on humans,
citing obsolete IEEE standards that basically say if the radiation isn't causing
you to feel heat, it does not harm you.  The preponderance of current studies
indicate there can by promotion of cancer growth, disorientation, and other
negative physical effects from low level, non-heating electromagnetic radiation.
Why have our government agencies given their affirmation to something so clearly
controversial?

After searching for answers to HAARP questions for the past year and a half,
what has surfaced are very few answers and many more questions.  How dangerous
is HAARP (some physicists fear severe planetary consequences)?  Commenting on
HAARP in the April, 1994 issue of Physics and Society, C. L. Herzenberg says
"...this technology does present issues that need to be publicly addressed by
the technical community".  Can HAARP change the ionosphere and weather
patterns??  Can HAARP disrupt worldwide communications??  Can HAARP damage or
destroy wildlife??  Will HAARP radiation change the migration habits of animals
that come near it??  Can HAARP cause cancer??  Can the ionospheric effects of
HAARP be controlled??  Why has the project been kept low profile and secretive,
by the sponsors and the contractor (an ARCO subsidiary)?  UPDATE: JUNE 1994 -
ARCO sold their subsidiary to E-Systems, the 41st largest U.S. defense
contractor noted for their counter surveillance work.  Why have Alaska's public
officials avoided providing serious answers to the public's questions?? Anything
that can generate these questions deserves the MONSTER title and our serious
attention.

Additional pieces to the puzzle that have shown themselves only serve to
heighten speculation that we are not getting clear and concise answers.  There
is a connection to the recently installed Cray supercomputer at UAF and to the
Geophysical Institute there.  There is an obvious power requirement that might
be met by a proposed coal power plant at Healy, connected by a proposed power
distribution intertie.  Some of the experiments will require "seeding" the
ionosphere with chemicals that could be delivered by rockets from the Poker
Flats rocket range near Fairbanks.  Patents held by the ARCO subsidiary building
HAARP describe a similar ionospheric heater and claim abilities to stop
missiles, change weather, and disrupt global communications.  The inventor,
Bernard Eastlund, claims he was hired by ARCO to find a use for their Alaska
North Slope gas deposits; hence, his inventions described in the patents.
Microwave News May/June, 1994 reported Eastlund said "The HAARP project
obviously looks a lot like the first step toward this."

The Gakona location is interesting as it was once destined to become an
over-the-horizon radar facility.  The Cold War ended before it could be
completely built.  This left the military with a remote location with buildings
and generating equipment partially completed, and a choice - either restore it
to its original natural condition or find another use.  HAARP conveniently fits
the site.  Is the choice of this remote site for these monster transmitters more
a factor of fewer people to complain?  Does it reduce the number of humans
exposed to HAARP transmissions thereby reducing the liability?  What about the
wildlife in the area, what exposures will they be subjected to?  One need only
remember experiments of another era that generated nuclear fall-out killing and
crippling humans and animals in its path.  It only took forty to fifty years to
get the agencies involved to admit liability.

In order to get an idea of just how large the HAARP transmitters are, imagine
all the ham radio operators in the United States (there are over 500,000)
transmitting at their maximum allowed power from one giant antenna.  That still
would not be as powerful as HAARP's multi-gigawatt (giga = billion) radiation
capability.  The average Alaskan ham can communicate across the state with less
power than will be in the unintentional harmonics and side-lobes radiated by
HAARP.

What exactly will HAARP do?  According to HAARP project documents it will
"perturb" the ionosphere with extremely powerful beams of energy.  Using
polarized, pulsating radio frequency transmissions to perform experiments which
include devising methods to destroy the communications capabilities of others
(presumably an adversary) while preserving their own communications.
Experiments with mirroring and reflecting abilities of the ionosphere (abilities
we currently depend on for all forms of communication) will be carried out to
see what military purposes may be served by the resulting changes.  An apt
analogy that springs to mind is that of an inquisitive youngster poking a
sleeping bear with a stick, to see what might happen!  What will we do once the
monster is unleashed?

The Alaska location was partially picked for its alignment with the earth's
magnetic force lines.  Military experiments with the magnetosphere also appear
to be planned.  And again the scientists warn of possible dire consequences,
including setting the earth into some unexpected vibration or oscillation,
similar to an axis wobble.  Many scientists such as Richard Williams writing in
Physics and Society in April, 1988 have denounced this kind of testing as
irresponsible and downright dangerous, fearing long term negative ionospheric
effects.  Also, like any magnet, the force lines will react at their opposite
pole, near Australia and New Zealand.  Australians are concerned enough to
consider sending a team to Alaska to document and investigate HAARP.  Shouldn't
Alaskans be interested too?

A group of NO HAARP activists is seeking to formalize their opposition by
incorporating as a non-profit organization or affiliating with an existing
group.  Their prime purposes will be to promote awareness, file legal actions
and other activities focused specifically on HAARP, something no group is
currently doing.  In fact, probably due to the remoteness of the Gakona
location, it has been difficult to get outsiders interested.  We are quite aware
that the promoters of HAARP fully realize that they have the upper
organizational hand and the money to outlast our grassroots opposition.  Those
of us in NO HAARP are committed to doing what we can to stop the project before
it comes on-line with full power in 1997.  Considering the project has been
underway since the mid-1980's, this will be a difficult task.  Luckily it was
not completely funded as of a year ago.  There is hope that legislative
alternatives to stop it may exist as well.  John Heckscher was quoted by
Microwave News in the May/June, 1994 issue saying that "money for completion of
the demonstration project is in place . . . but the larger facility would
require additional funding from Congress".  Unfortunately, this additional
funding is likely to be buried deep in the DOD budget.

What can you do?  Of course you can try to "write your congress person".  The
Alaska delegation to congress is noted for their alignment with the military so
don't expect too much action from them.  Send contributions for the NO HAARP
effort to Jim Roderick, P.O. Box 916, Homer, AK  99603.  You can lobby with the
NTIA to turn down the HAARP frequency/power request.  You can make others aware
of the HAARP project and the questions it raises.Contact Eric Nashlund at
907-8223602 or snail at HCO-1 Box 271 Copper Center, AK. 99573
Kirtland AFB is the source of information through FOIA that we have
received info on this projrect. Later Larry


The following speech was given by Major General Stubblebine, an important 
advocate of the military use of psi and related techniques>

 
 
MAJOR GENERAL ALBERT N. STUBBLEBINE, III
 
LECTURE ON REMOTE VIEWlNG AS A RESEARCH TOOL
 
International Symposium on UFO Research
Sponsored by the International  Association for New Science
Denver, Colorado, May 22-25, 1992
 
(Introduction by Dr. Steven Greer of Gen. (Ret.) Stubblebine's military career 
as Commanding officer of the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command 
(INSCOM), his efforts to study unusual human performance for the Army, his 
involvement as Chairman of the Board of Direcsors of Psi-Tech, his 
association with TREAT and with Soviet Technology Transfer, etc
 
GEN. STUBBLEBINE: (Begins with casual remarks on "why a person like me is 
in a place like this talking to a group of people like you on a subject like 
wherever it is we are talking today; continues with casual jokes about 
rapturing the audience, ethnic jokes about Hittites "with a slight Japanes 
flavor" about kamakaze pilots on WW2, leading to the phrase, "Are you ou of 
your fucking mind? That, ladies and gentlemen, is the title of this talk 
because what I plan to talk is remote viewing").  So what is remote viewing? 
(From now abbreviated as RV--ed.) First of all, it is a very systematic, very 
controlled method of accessing inforrnation that is not normally available by 
any other source, that's about fi~ll isn't it? Accessible information that is not
accessible by any other source. I told you, if you either did it or believe in it, 
you probably would be out of your mind because everyone knows that that 
is not a doable do, can't do that, however, we can and we do, so first of all let 
me tell you a little bit about what remote viewing is.  It is independent of 
time, OK? So I can go past, I can go present, I can go future. It is independent 
of location, so I can go anywhere on this earth, I can go into any closet, I can 
go into any mind, I can access that information at any location that I choose. 
It is independent of space, therefore, I can access that information any place 
in on the planet or off of it if I choose; and it is independent of 
countermeasures, I believe I put a caveat on the last one, not a caveat on the 
first, small caveat on the last one because all of the research has not been 
done at this stage on the counter measures. There are indications that some 
counter measures are possible, we have bumped on indications of counter 
measures but that piece of research has not been done at this stage of the 
game, so I believe it is independent of most counter measures, I am not 
totally convinced that is independent of all countermeasures.  What is 
remote viewing not, if I can screw my English there? What will RV not do, 
OK? Well, first of all, it is not a panacea, it is not a end-all to all end-alls, it 
provides threads, it provides ldeas, it provides detailed information, but it 
should not, we do not and should not be used as an absolute panacea, an 
absolute truth; it needs to be, that information that's gleaned from the RV set 
needs to be taken and co-related with all other information that you know in
order to make the picture that you then makes decisions and 
recommendations from there is a lot of differences between using it as an 
end-all and using it a a tool, as a tool to provide you information that you- 
cannot get in othe ways and to make sense of the picture that you think, 
there is a lot of difference between using it as gospel and using it as a tool to 
be integrated with the rest of the tools that are available. 

What is it not? lt does not not at this stage of the game, do numbers well nor 
does it do words well or letters well. For instance, I could not go in and read 
a report that is in somebody's safe, I might be able to get the essence of that 
report but I could not read it, I can get sensings of it but I cannot at this 
stage of the game go in and do the reading, and numbers or particular hard 
letters are hard, OK? What is it not? It is not a tool to be used by the callous 
or the undisciplined or those people who have for want of another word or 
another thought, let me call it an evil intent and I know that word has all 
kinds of ramifications, but it is tool that is to be used to help, not a tool that 
is to be used for illicit purposes, so that gives you a little bit of an idea of 
what it can do and what it can't do. 

I frequently get the question what is the difference between RV and natural 
or personal psychic abilities, I get that question very frequently from people 
who don't understand when they listen to the words that I am talking about, 
so they say, ah! but I know a psychic who does, so they say what is the 
difference between what you do in a RV sense and what they do in a pure 
natural, psychic fashion or manner? There are a couple of differences and 
the first one is the training- The training for our viewers in a one year, six- 
stage training course, one year six stages, OK? so there is an incredible 
amount of very carefully monitored, very carefully metered very carefully 
controlled process that is taught to all of our remoteviewers, and as Steven 
(Greer--ed.) indicated, I am the Chairman of the Board of this company 
called Psi Tech and we have six remote viewers, a of whom have been 
through the one year training as well as a lot of expierence of doing RV itself, 
each one of those is a very well trained, very controlled person, very highly 
disciplined individual- Sometime ago whe we had the draft, we haven't had 
the draft in the Army for a long period of time, but at one time the Pentagon 
was considering the kind of people it ought to draft, the ones that would 
really make good soldiers, and the conclusion was that they should be 
married, and somebody said, I understand, very simple, they learn how to 
take orders. Well, yes, true of the people who do the RV, they must be 
willing to follow the instructions, the sort of programming, the methodology 
that is used. 

The second major discipline in all of this is that there is a very carefully 
established protocol or methodology through which and by which remote 
viewers are actaully given their task and how they do both their RV as well 
as their reporting, so there is an incredibly tight protocol established to 
make sure that the information that we are getting out of the data bank--
and let me through out a theorem, that there is a huge data bank that exists 
out there that can be accessed, OK? there is a huge bank out there, all you 
got to do is go access it, who can access it? Anybody, anybody can access that 
data bank, alright, these remote viewers did not have any special psychic 
abilities before we select to training, they didn't, OK? they were just like you 
and I, or almost, but pretty close, they were just straight normal people who 
we trained to do this process.  Incidentally, how many people in this 
audience either think they are, or believe they are or play at being a psychic, 
or do psychic channeling, readings or anyhting (It seems that first there is 
only  a small show of hands that grows at Stubblebine's urging--ed.) The 
difference between the two is first of all the training, second the controlled 
mechanisms in which we handle our remote viewers.  Now let me kind of 
walk you through a typical problem to give you some sense of how it occurs. 
Lets assume an airplane crash, its relatively easy task to do, all we do is we 
take three of our viewers and we will tell those three viewers as much 
information about the crash as we know, a) it was an airplane, b) it was Pan-
Am, c) it was flying over wherever, Colorado, and it was at such and such a 
time and it disappeared, and no one knows where it went, OK? What 
happened? The other three, now, we don't do that, all we do with the other 
three is we give them a controlled coordinate, incidentally the controlled 
coordinate is not the coordinate of the plane crash site because we don't 
know where that is, it is nothing more than a control for the controller of the 
exercise to measure that all of the remote viewers are on the same sheet of 
music. Each of the viewers now goes in and independently does his or her 
thing--incidentally all of our viewers right now are males, however, I have 
had female viewers and so that's not, how do I express it? Right now we are 
very sexist, we have all males, however, that is not a bar to do RV, as a 
matter of fact women do very, very well as long as we can get them to the 
controlled protocol. I will tell you that one who we tried to train who was 
already a natural psychic, did not work well because the natural psychic 
ability kept overiding the control mechanisms and therefore we were having 
trouble making sure that everything stayed within the discipline and within 
the control box. The all six then go off independently and do their thing, and 
when they come back, theywrite out their report and provide each of the six 
reports to the controller, the controller now takes the six reports and begins 
to analyze the reports to see wherc the similarities and where the 
differences are, and from that, you then decide, or the controller decides 
whether you need to send that viewer back into session again for additional 
detail. For instance, and it frequently happens that one viewer will get a tail 
number or an indication of a tail number, you know, I told you numbers are 
hard but the tail numbers are relatively large numbers and so sometimes 
you can get an indication of the tail number; the sencond one will get you a 
crash site that is on top of a mountain or a third of the way down the 
mountain; another one may get you a piece of a coordinate or get you a 
coordinate, know exactly where that is, another one will get you that 
everybody is dead or most are dead but some are still alive, so you get 
different essences out of the six remote viewers. 

Incidentally the remote viewers do not have to be on a single location, and 
most of ours are not, many are in the larger Washington metroplitan area, 
but one of them is in Minnesota and another one is out in Kansas, so they do 
not need to be co-located when they are doing their work. Each sesslon 
incidentally is about a 45 minute session, we find that you go much beyond 
45 minutes and you are beginning to run into lapses or a lapse in the energy 
field and youbegin to slip off the quality of the information, so we try to  
limit the sessions to about 45 minutes. After the controller has taken a look 
at each one of the reports, he then decides on what additional work needs to 
be done, do you send it back to get additional data or you are satisfied with 
what you got, you have enough now that you can go out and write a report 
for the individual or the company that paid you to do the RV to begin with, 
so that gives you at least a sense of how one of these projects would work. 
Let me talk now about some examples. I mentioned that you can go into the 
past or you can go into the future. Tomorrow, I believe, you get two sessions, 
one is with Scott Jones who I believe is going to talk about Tunguska, which 
was a project that Psi Tech did, and obviously, the event in Tunguska 
happened way in the past; you also will also heard from Dr. Laibow, she is 
not talking about her project, but Psi Tech did a project for her and for 
TREAT on the Phobos-2 probe, that information was quite revealing  
released any of it at this stage of the game because we are working with the 
Soviets and trying to get confirmation from the Soviet system as to to the 
accuracy of the Psi Tech RV report-so that we can get some co-relation as to 
the quality of project, a) that large and b) that complex. So incidentally the 
Phobos-2 probe disappeared off of Soviet radar screen just suddenly, it was 
operating and suddenly it wasn't, and so there was a lot of curiosity about 
what occurred, and there has been a lot of speculation as to what really 
occurred to the craft, and if the remote viewers are correct, it will be a quite
a revelation when we finally get the confirmation that we think is available 
out of the Soviet Union. 

In any event, those two are projects of the past, let me now talk about 
projects that were of the future, that are no longer of the future, but they 
were at the time that they were done. One was a very large corporation here 
in the United States wanted to know what the power source was going to be 
on the lunar station on the moon when it finally got there, and we said, that 
sounds like an interesting project, so we took a look at that. Now that had a 
couple of components, one was what was going to be the power source, and 
also there was an indication that they wanted to mine the rock on the moon, 
the lunar rock, in order to extract both the hydrogen and oxygen, you 
combine the two you get water which you can drink, but you also get energy 
which you can use for an energy source, but you also get oxygen which you 
can breath, so it sounded kind of neat.

However, when we looked at it, that's not what we found, what we found 
was a small, portable existing nuclear reactor, OK? That sounded neat 
because it was already here, it existed on this earth, there was one problem 
with it, it wasn't in the United States, as a matter of fact it was in the Soviet 
Union, and everybody said, oh my goodness gracious, that can't possibly be, 
as a matter of fact the client in this case said, I didn't want to hear that 
answer, OK? I really didn't want to hear that, besides I can't get to that 
reactor anyway because the Soviet is still a closed system, OK? Well, I don't 
know whether you have been reading the newspapers lately, but there is or 
has been in the newspapers a system, a Soviet system called TOPAZ, and 
TOPAZ, the United States just bought or just arranged to buy, I don't think its 
gotten here yet but it arranged to get it here, and it is a small portable 
existing nuclear reactor that is suitable for space, OK? and that work was 
done for this corporation about three years before, two and a half years 
earlier, so the work was done but it was done for a future event, and in 
essence at least part of that future event appears to have taken place... (End 
of Side A)... 

The lunar exploration is actually up there and operating and that's the 
system they have, I can't (do anyhting about it?) because we haven't got 
there yet, thats what the indicators are.  The second kind of interesting 
project dealt with again a very large U.S. corporation that had extensive 
interest in the price of oil in the Middle East and what would be the impact 
of what was going on in the Middle East and what would it look like when it 
was all over; in other words, they really were interested in after the dust 
settled over in that part of the world, what was the situation going to be so 
that this corporation could make up its mind how it wanted to posture itself 
vis-a-vis the then time frame, now the time frame was August 1990 and 
that was during Desert Shield, not desert Storm but desert Shield. The 
project was to look inside (Saddam) Hussein's head and find out what he was 
thinking and where he was going and what he was going to do, now this was 
ahead of time, I want you to know this was before Desert Storm, this was 
Desert Shield, alright? The attempts, in spite of two assasnation attempts he 
would stlll bc there and he would still be in charge, OK? Well, one of those 
assasination attempts has been verified, I've never seen any intelegence or 
information or corrobarotion about the second assassination attempt, I know 
that one was attempted, OK? He obviously is still alive. The second piece of 
that not asked for, but clearly indicated as picked up by the viewers as they 
looked at it, was a huge oil fire, huge oil conflagration. Well that's kind of 
interesting because that obviously also occurred.

Now let me get back to the sort of the psychics versus the remote viwers 
because I don't admit this and God and this is on tape too, Jesus Oh Boy! I am 
not a trained remote viewer, I am not a natural psychic, OK? However, I do 
get, I am highly visual and I do get lots of interesting images; about two 
months before the fires actually occurred in the Middle East, before Hussein 
actually set fire to the oil wells. I had seen an incredibly dramatic image; and 
it was of a huge fire; now the fire, I can see this incredible set of black 
smoke and I could see vertically what to be sticks, you know, I could see the 
base of, and I concluded that is was a forest fire, OK? and so i took it out of 
Kuwait and I moved it somewhere else in the world because there are no 
trees in Kuwait to have a forest fire with, you know, logic tells you that there 
are no trees, therefore you cannot have a forest fire, therefore, it cannot be 
Kuwait, boom, all right? 

Wrong! Wrong! The minutes those pictures came on TV I knew 
instantaneoulsy that that's what I had seen, and what I had misp~ the trees 
with oil rigs, OK? Now, what happens in that case is wha overlay, and it is 
part of the protocol to remove that overlay fron remote viewers so that you 
don't get that misconclusion or that misdirection, it is precisely what we do 
in the controlled process, protocol that extracts the overlay away from the 
expierence of the individuals See, my expierence says if you got stick you got 
trees got trees you got forest fires, if you got forest fires you are not in 
Kuwait right? Boom! See the logic? All of that was overlay that I put there 
myself, now we don't allow that with our remote viewers and we do have a 
protocol that stops that dead in its tracks and removes that overlay do that 
we don't get the expierential piece in there, we get access to the data is in 
the data base to bring it back and give it pure, that's the system and that's 
the primary difference between the sort of the pure psychic and what we 
believe to be the remote viewers, or our trained remote viewers. (Jokes 
about onions with long ears that occasionally bring tears to your eyes) That 
really is the neat part about remote viewing because occasionally you get 
right on the money, so much so that bring tears to your eyes if you are right 
there, that's kind of the essence of the difference between those two
elements. 

Let me talk to you about where you might take this kind of a tool and do 
something with it, and again I am not sure I want to be on tape for this. We 
have looked at Mars, we have looked at UFOs, we spent some time looking at 
Mars, tomorrow I believe that you are going to hear a presentation on the 
Mars phenomena, and if I am correct, that you will be told that there are 
structures on the surface of Mars. I will tell you for the record that there are 
structures underneath the surface of Mars that cannot be seen by the 
Voyager cameras that went by in 1976, which is what you are going to hear 
tomorrow; I will also tell you that there are machines on the surface of Mars 
and there are machincs under the surface of Mars that you can look at, you 
can find out in detail, you can see what they are, where they are, who they 
are and a lot of detail about them. Now, you can do that through RV and I 
defy any sensor anywhere in this world today that can do that kind of 
analysis or give you those kinds of leads, it just doesn't exist today. Now, 
someday we will put a Mars station, someday we will go there, someday we 
will see all of this, someday we will find it, but today you do not have any 
capability to verify what I am saying so I can I say it, which makes it nice. 

As far as the UFOs are concerned, they can be accessed, they can be tracked, 
we have looked at the propulsion system for them, that's not a hard job, you 
can track them back to where they come from, whether they come from a 
place here on this planet or whether they come from a place on another 
planet, they are trackable and you can take a look inside as well as outside, 
so again it is a tool that is available to be used for the UFO research and I 
guess, I guess that's the reason that I am standing on this platform in spite 
of my misgivings and feeling a little bit nervous like a tree on a Lassie 
program. Last but not least, let me explore the fact that this technology has 
not been proven in terms of a Mars or a UFO kind of a tool, I will tell
you, however, though, because one of the things which I am sure is going 
through everybody's mind is what is the statistical success rate if you will, 
how good are you, how good are your remote viewers, where do they stand. 
Are they 50-50, because I can flip a coin and do that; are they at 51 versus 
49, because if they are that's better than the flip of a coin. I will tell you that 
its better than a B-plus, better than a B-plus, now for all of you who 
remember, I had trouble remembering that far back to High School, it was 
about 200 years ago, but if my recollection is correct, B-plus was about 85 or
better.  If you do it properly and begin to take the project, get the large 
overview, take it down like a telescopic lens to the next layer, take it down 
to the next telescopic lens cut out into the next layer and kecp going down 
until you are down to the nuts and bolts, that number can go as high as 95 
percent success rate, it is a phenomenal tool, it is a phenomenal tool. We 
have failures, yeah, we have some, not often but we do, occasionally you get 
noise, you get an overide of some sort, and that's why I said I am not sure 
about all of the counter measures at this stage of the game, OK? 
 
Just one second, there have been people who have told me that its a crazy 
notion, that why would you ever risk your reputation doing something like 
this, why would you ever accept something like this. Well, my feeling is a 
little bit like the notion that if you try and don't succeed, you give up, my 
thought is if you try and don't succeed, don't play Russian roulette, however, 
if you keep at this remote viewing set or use or think about this tool, I am 
sure that we can unlock a number of the mysteries that still confound us in 
the enigmas in all of our our thinking, its a tool that's available, its a tool that 
is now and its a tool that needs to be stressed and used to find out where its 
limits are. I have put some literature down here in front for people who 
would like to pick up some of the literature from Psi Tech that is available. 
You know, I don't like the phrase don't cross the bridge until you get to it, 
and the reason that I don't like that phrase is that there are lots of leaders 
who would cross bridges in their imaginations hundreds of miles ahead of 
the main procession, and they did spend the bridge, and in closing I will 
state, and I don't know who said this, but there is an interesting phrase that 
I like that says, don't go or don't follow the trail that others have gone off, 
instead make your own path, grow your own path, but, but leave a trail 
behind, OK? That's what RV is right now, its an exact position as a pioneer of 
where the RV is, now, I believe there were a couple of questions back here, 
yes.

(Mentions this is not on his time and that he is finished. Dr. Greer adds that 
there is a live TV crew and some ten minutes available to answer questions 
from the audience). 

(Q from audience on futher details about Psi Tech's protocols). 
OK, let me answer the last one first, the protocol was developed by Ingo 
Swann who is himself a natural psychic, and he has patented the protocol, 
that's first and foremost; the second, where we get the errors, the errors 
appear to come out of interference, now what is interference? Interference 
appears to be some counter measure of some sort, so there appears to be 
some areas that we are having trouble accessing, it appears that when you 
have trouble accessing them that there is a wall that has been built up, I 
don't know, I guess I'd call it a psychic wall of some sort. (Audience 
interjects comment) You get, you sort of bang up against a wall, you go bonk. 

I have just been reminded that Ed Dames who is the president of Psi-Tech 
and is himself a remote viwer, but he doesn't do much, he acts more as the 
control. (Mentions Ed's talk in Atlanta for TREAT IV and the transcripts will 
be available sometime in the future). 

(Q about mental state of the viewers). Completely passive, totally passive 
obviously is a state of mind, the individual state of mind, heavily Theta, for 
those of you who understand brainwaves, its a Theta brainwave state of 
mind that they are in, we've actually measured some of them and they are 
very heavy in the Theta brainwave arena, but it is totally passive as far as I 
can tell, there is no active instrument other than the mind that is accessing 
the information. 

(Q on to what extent are major Government using RV) I haven't the foggiest 
freaking ass idea (laughter). You did see foreign governments, thats what I 
thought you said. (Questioner clarifies he said major governments). Rule one, 
I will not talk about anything that preceded my retirement, OK? excuse me, I 
will not talk about anything that preceded my retirement that is classified, 
that's a better way of expressing it, so anybody that and I have been asked 
that question over and over and over and over again, I made an oath, I have 
no intention of breaking that oath. Now, let's talk about foreign governments 
because that's a different story. The Soviets have been doing RV, they call it 
extra-sense, they have been doing that for years, at one time the Soviet 
budget, the second highest part of the Soviet budget was in paranormal, 
parapsychological experts that's not true today but that was true probably 
six years ago. at least six years ago, that was a true statement, so the second
highest right behind the defense budget was the money for the 
parapsycolocial/paranormal work, so if there is anybody who doesn't believe 
that the Soviets have been playing in that business, does not understand 
what they are doing. We have been in contact, and as a rnatter of f~ct for th 
my knonewledge, we had on the platform at TREAT-IV in Atlanta, we had on 
the platform simultaneously the president of Psi Tec, Ed Dames, and the 
president of a Soviet enterprise, civilian enterprise headed by Ivan Sokolov, 
who does the same thing in the Soviet Union, I think thats a first, OK? And 
what we are trying to do together is to devise a project that will use the 
capabilities of both organizations, and the one we are focusing on right at the 
moment is finding and cleaning up the environmental hazards so that we 
begin to work on some of the incredible environmental problems that exist 
in the Soviet Union, so we picked the environment, its benign, it doesn't get 
this country upset or this government upset, it doesn't get their government 
upset, its something that needs to be done and so we try to pick something 
that its an absolutely benign topic so that everyone can support it forward, I 
don't know if that answers all of your questions, but it gives you a little bit 
of a ramble. Yes, mam. 

(Q on UFOs). We got ten years of data that's stacked up, that we kept in the 
closet for many of the same reasons that a lot of, well, there are people who 
are just barely now holding up there hands and saying, yes, I think I believe 
in one those, at least publicly, there is about ten years of data that we got 
stacked up on the UFO phenomenon, that's the good news; the bad news is 
that its not all in the kind of order that it needs to be, so it needs to be gone 
through it, sort it, begin to analyze it, the problem with that of course it costs
money and money doesn't grow everywhere for such projects, so somebodys 
got to be interested in doing that but a lot of it exists, yes? 

(Q on Sunspots interference with RV) I don't know, he wants to know 
whether sunspots would impact or affect the ability of the remote viewer to 
do the RV job, the reason I hesitate is because I never even thought about it, 
now what I have thought about or those areas where we begin to get what 
appear to be interference and appear to be counter measures and trying to 
sort that setout and make sense of it. Now, what I haven't thought about it is 
whether that was a natural occurring phenomena or an intentionality on 
someone else's part who is in fact trying to interfere or in effect jam our own 
ability to access, so the answer is I don't know, it would be a very nice
research project. 
 
(Q about your agency, which he reacts to, Psi Tech) Yes, we can talk about 
that. (Whether Psi Tech has been contacted to work on counter measures) 
No. 

(Q on tracking of UFOs) Earth, Mars. 

(Q about a rumor circulating on the Roswell crash). No, stop that, please stop 
that rumor, first of all Ed (Darnes) has not looked at Roswell, OK? He has not 
looked at Roswell, now there was a thought that he would like to, and that 
has been blown from the thought that I'd like to look at it to the thought 
that, you know, and Ed went uuuuuuh, out of site,  mean, it followed a UFO 
cunre, OK, so kill that rumor. Way back in the corner. 

(Q on Mars machinery). Its moving, the machinery is moving, so I dont know, 
if its from a leftover civilization its got a long-live battery, its better than 
any of the dolls we put out on Christmas, I tell you, OK? 

(Q on more of the same). Yeah, its a structure, that's what I say, there are 
structures on the surface, and incidentally I don't want to take thunder away 
from any tomorrow, because you are going to get a chit-chat about that 
tomorrow and I don't want to trail on somedoby else's toes, all I that I am 
saying is that there are structures on top, there are structures underneath, 
there are machines on top ahhhh I got a UFO!!! (Laughter) Zooong and 
another alien hits the dust. OK, we need to warp this in short order. 

(Q on whether viewers need to be in trance). All the viewers that we chosen 
so far are known quantities, there are all people that I know personally, and 
thats very important because it goes back to that pitch that I made or that 
notion that I made on what RV was not in the beginning, and I cannot afford 
to have anybody that does not have absolute total integrity and absolute 
total that I can totally trust, so I demand total integrity, totally integrative 
person, because I don't want this thing done in a way that will in any shape, 
form or fashion be construed as being outside the limits of normal conduct,
so they are chosen very carefully. The second thing is, do they go into a 
trance? Well, I think mentioned we measured some of them and they are in 
a Theta brain wave state. OK, one more. 

(Q on crop circles). No, only because, you know, we are a for profit 
organization, Psi Tech is a for profit organization, OK? and if somebody would 
like to have the crop circles looked at, we would be more than happy to look 
at crop circles. Now there has been some very casual looking, you know, just 
to kind of test what it was and what was going on, and so there is some 
minor inforrnation, but we have not really done that as a process. OK, let me 
say in conclusion, I think I want to burn that ta back there because I am not 
sure that I want any of this on tape. (End of tape) 

