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The Unbelievable Story of John Titor
This is the first time I
met John. The first time I know of he posted on a forum. Please do not post on this
thread it is here only for archival and historical purpose and for your reading
enjoyment. (TimeTravel_0 is John Titor.) ************************************* Time-travel Paradoxes! Author Topic: Time-travel
Paradoxes! Paul Member posted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- M:\Picture\Untitled.GIF THE PARADOXES… If you went back in time
and visited your granny during her ninth birthday don’t kill her! Because if
you put a gun to her head and pull the trigger she could not have given birth
to your mum. YOU certainly were never born… Therefore you could not
have killed anyone as you never existed. Now this means your granny couldn’t
have been killed by you. She didn’t die nine years old. This permits you to be
born. If you were born could you
go back and kill your granny? No, not your real granny. This general idea has
been used in Back to the future. Marty nearly stops himself from being born
when he prevents his parents from falling in love. Solving The Problem 1, You simply can’t change
history meaning if you go back in time you have no free will(as shown in Twelve
Monkeys, Crime Traveler etc. Events will get in your way if you try to kill
your granny. YOU CAN’T DO IT. 2, When you so-called
change history you’re actually moving up a different branch in time into
another universe. The previous universe (where you were born) still exists.
When you fire the gun you’re really killing another version of your
grandmother. 3, Any actions you make in
the so-called past has no affects on the present. It’s a different time-line
universe. The laws true solutions
don’t present real time-travel as you go into another world. Conclusion We can’t simply use the
grandmother paradox to rule out time-travel claiming it causes logical
inconsistencies. We need to look at all the possibilities. How could we build a time
machine? The mathematics of general
relativity suggest that under extreme conditions space-time might become so
warped it would be possible to travel back in time. There is also the
possibility of tunnels in time created by negative mass. Very long rotating
cylinders of matter-proposed by Frank Tipler Kerr’s spinning
blackholes-since most stars spin this becomes worth looking (proposed by Roy
Kerr). Cosmic strings-(as Richard
Cott suggested) Travelling faster than
light – would take us back in time(as suggested by solutions to relativity).
Wormholes might allow us to outpace light (if you walk through the short cut
quicker than light through convential (normal) space. Tachyons -are sub-atomic
particles which always travel faster than light and therefore move back in time
constantly. They have not yet been found and remain hypethical. Contracting Universe- Time
might then be running backwards but since everything else also would it’s
unsuitable. Macro-wormholes(Kip Thorne
showed how we could use it as a time machine). time - paradox Paradoxes Grandfather paradox Suppose you could go back
in time, lets say several decades and found your grandfather when he was two
years old. In his house you could grab a knife and stab him to death. He
doesn't get the chance to have children with your grandmother. Therefore either
your mother or father doesn't get born. Your parents can't give birth to you
because one of them don't exist. You could never have been born and don't even
exist. But could your grandfather have been killed by someone who doesn't
exist? He must have lived through his childhood. This would allow you to exist
if this is the case. Seemingly you can go back in time to commit the murder if
you are born but then you would never have been born. And so on and so on. This
situation is not consistent with itself. It doesn't make sense and can't
possibly happen. Solutions 1, You simply can't change
the past. Time will stop you limiting your freedom while you're in the past
from your point of view. This puts the concept of freewill in serious danger
especially if you tell people what's going to happen to them in their future.
If you believe when you go back in time you are from one possible future from
everyone else's point of view they can simply go up any root in time they want.
According to quantum
physics Many Worlds theory there are a huge amount of universes where every
possibility occurs between them all. In some you're the opposite sex. In some
you won the lottery etc. You might be heading
towards the universe you originally came from before you travelled back in
time. Everything will happen the way you remember it. But all the people you
meet are free to decide what they want to do and enter a different universe.
Since it's not possible for you to be there you disappear from their lives.
Meeting a time traveller from your future could therefore be very strange. 2, A parallel universe
might be created when you seem to change the past. Imagine if time itself was
just like a tree. The different branches show different ways events could have
happened. Every time we decide to do or not to do something time splits. Even
if we are not aware we decided something it have affects. Quantum physics
reveals a many worlds theory like this. Conclusion Since this parallel
universe is not really your past (despite it's first appearance) anything you
do there does not affect you. You can prevent a version of yourself from being
born because you are not really related to anyone there. They just look very
like your family and friends. You are not home! You may be somewhere that looks
like the place you live but a different universe in quantum physics is a
completely different reality. 3, No matter what you do
in what is really a parallel universe you will do back to your previous
universe which is not affected by your previous actions. A space-time wormhole
could lead you back to your original unaffected universe. What came out of the
wormhole if the ball never went into it? Another common example of
a paradox is a ball that goes through a wormhole connected with a moment in the
past. Therefore it comes out of the other space-time wormhole mouth actually
before it went in! Then what might happen? If the ball then hits it's younger
self out of the way of the mouth then it never goes in. But if the ball never
did go in the wormhole then how can it ever come out. The existence of the
older version of the ball is destroyed i.e. it never falls back in time. But
then this version certainly can't hit the younger version out of the way. So it
must go into the wormhole as a collision with it's older self is evidently the
only force that could and did stop the ball from entering the wormhole. This of
course is unexplainable and is logically inconsistent. But the situation could
happen differently to allow it to become self consistent. 1, What if after the ball
comes out of the wormhole at an earlier time it does hit it's previous self but
this collision is what makes the ball fall into the mouth in the first place!
It hits the other version into the mouth. This would imply that the past or
present is affected by the future. In fact in this case the past is dependant
on the future. 2, The ball might simply
hit it's other self only slightly so the direction of the ball is not altered
enough to cause a paradox. 3, The ball might just
miss it's younger self. Nature might protect time
and prevent paradoxes. From theories and many stories it's clear that paradoxes
cannot happen in the real world. Other types of paradoxes In the terminator movies
John had something important to tell Sarah. Thank her for her help through the
hell. Tell her not to give up or he will never exist. Who wrote the speech? John certainly didn't
write it. He was told it since he was a kid from Sarah who could remember it.
Sarah just recalls what Kyle told her in 1984. Kyle just remembered what John
told him to say. Conclusion No one wrote it. It exists
somehow but not by John, Kyle or Sarah being creative. No one had to write it
because it was created by the affect the future on the past had on each other. If I in 2000 study the
history of work done in a private factory and learn about the development of a
time machine! Their scientists worked from designs and plans noted in a book
(never published)they used. They had no idea how to achieve such technology
until they read it. Then to experiment with
temporal(time) paradoxes I am sent back to 1983. The entire building has not
even been built as I arrive. Later accidentally I meet one of the scientists
and talk to him. When I hear how excited he is I hand him that book which he
uses future success. The answers! He is more than willing to read and use the
book. But who came up with the
idea of how the time machine is built? Not any of the scientists
as they just followed instructions in that book. Not me as all I did was
hand a scientist a book. Noone actually wrote the book and no one had to work
it out. Is this allowed by
physical laws? Noone really knows... ------------------ Paul Curran from Co [This message has been
edited by Paul (edited [This message has been
edited by Paul (edited IP: Logged NoTime unregistered posted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is no grandfather
paradox in the multiverse scenario. In a multiverse, your grandfather's
multiple histories included many in which he was not murdered and many in which
he was murdered. Those many histories in
which he was murdered included some involving different male or female
murderers who killed him. It's possible that you were one of those murderers in
one of your previous lifetimes or incarnations. IP: Logged SHADOWshadow unregistered posted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paradox can't hold a
candle to "twinadox". Thats when you time travel back and MARRY your
gradndmother and become your own grandpaw. What if you had a twin brother and
the THREE of you all show up one day, wich one is the other you? How do you
know that there shouldn't be four of you and somebodys missing? Cheesh man!!
I'm going to get some sleep, and try not to read this thread next time...er
wait a minute, on the other hand.........the me in a paralell reality may
infulence me to change my mind............. IP: Logged 1.21 Jiga-watts unregistered posted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let's get away from
travelling to the past for a moment. Let's look at what was made popular in
Back to the Future pt 2, where Marty sees his son, or his girlfriend sees
herself. It cannot happen! If you
left time, you would be considered 'missing', or dead. The truth is, you don't
exist from the point in which you lept forward in time. You therefore cannot
see yourself, or your son, because you stopped existing at that point in the
past where you left. Is this a proper paradox?
Is there any reasoning I am missing that says you can see your future self? Look forward to responses. 1.21 Jiga-watts IP: Logged NoTime unregistered posted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- True. If you leave this
time, you will not be here until you return. But, if you are aive in the future
as you were alive in the past, then you could visit yourself because you are
there. Your present self is different from your past or future self. This
definitely applies to the past because you know you lived in the past and if
you can go there, then you can visit yourself. IP: Logged Crono Member posted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think there is two ways
to look at this Jiga Watts. The first one is where you can actually change the
past so it effects the future. If you were presumed dead in the future, then
you could go back to the time right after you left and nothing would have been
changed. However if you leave again, it will just be the same as before. The second one is where
you can't change the past, and you'll only be creating a parallel universe.
What used to be your future is now your present, and since what used to be your
present is now your past, you can't change the past, so you'll still be
presumed dead at when you left off. And so you can still go back in the past
and live there as usual, you won't be changing the future. I think that's how those
theories go. IP: Logged Paul Member posted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is very interesting
what would happen if you left the present and reached the future. In The Time
Machine the time travelers asks about himself and people claim he went missing
when he left on his journey through time. It seems like an BTTF2
Marty was taken away in 1985 so his kids and everything couldn't exist in
2015... But the existance of his
kids might just be evidence that they will later return to 1985 to do all those
things! This would imply that everything they are going to do have already been
decided! It became clear the the
future is NOT set as Doc claimed the future hasn't been written yet. So how
could they travel into what does not exist? Even when Marty went to 1955 he
must have been from the future from some people's point of view? The future they travelled
to might just have been one possible future! In the quantum many worlds theory
there are an infinite amount of futures where every possibility occurs... ------------------ Paul Curran IP: Logged Cocurious unregistered posted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In response to 1.21
jiga-watts. If you go into the future and see yourself, then by rights you will
succeed in whatever you are doing in the future, and make it back to the
present. If you don't see yourself, then one could asume that you never made it
back to your own time in the present. IP: Logged NoTime unregistered posted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In some probabilities, you
traveled to the future and made it back, in others you did not make it back. In
some probabilities you are alive in a future time and in others you are not
alive. A multiverse contains all possibilities and all combinations of
possibilities. If you can travel to the
future, you can meet a future self or not, depending on which probable future
you go to. IP: Logged NoTime unregistered posted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...also, in a multiverse
containing all possibilities, you can't change anything because whatever
changes you try to make are already there as one of the possibilities. IP: Logged 1.21 Jiga-Watts unregistered posted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you all for your
responses. It's a fascinating discussion, to be sure, and one that seemingly
has endless possibilities. I'm pretty set on the
paradox I raised, however. It just doesn't seem possible that you can see your
future self. I'll check in every now
and then. Continue in your hypothesizing! 1.21 Jiga-Watts IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted TimeTravel_0-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wow! Paul is right on the
money. I was just about to give up hope on anyone knowing who Tipler or Kerr
was on this worldline. By the way, #2 is the
correct answer and the basics for time travel start at CERN in about a year and
end in 2034 with the first "time machine" built by GE. Too bad we
can't post pictures or I'de show it to you. -------------------------------------------- No
Problem!!......."Wherever you go, there you are, and I'll be waiting." p)'i4q4 -------------------------------------------- src="/docs/IO/725/C:\Visioneer
Documents\PT5.jpg" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" cellpadding=3 border=0> [This message has been
edited by Time02112 (edited IP: Logged pamela Member posted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TimeTravel_0- Guess what? You can put
pictures on Doc's board... we would like to see it. here is the URL:
http://pub2.ezboard.com/bmagisystems Im sure he would be more
than happy to post the picture for you. He is the moderator for the montauk
section on this web site. Look forward to seeing
your picture! thanks, pamela [This message has been
edited by pamela (edited IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is there a site where I
don't need to register personal information to post pictures? IP: Logged pamela Member posted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Time travel_0- Iam registered on Doc's
site. you can send it to me and
I will post it for you.and if you want you can always set up a new e-mail
account and only use it once. There may be a site where
you could post the picture with no info but I personally don't know of any.
because of what people would put up with no accountability. any other info you give
will remain confidential . besides your IP address is already logged on this
forum when you post. I'll help you out if you want.or you could just e-mail Doc
yourself Im sure he would put it up for you without registering.just explain
the situation to him. I feel he is very trustworthy. Actually he posted someone
elses picture annonymously that claimed he built a time machine. his name was
"director". thats it. sincerely, pamela pamela2@raex.com IP: Logged Dymenzionz Moderator posted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What the Hell's a
jiga-watt? (gigawatt) :-) IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'll be happy to send them
to you and answer any questions you may have. IP: Logged pamela Member posted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Time Travel_0-
"confirming". Dymenzionz- HI!!!!! Good
to see ya back! sincerely, pamela IP: Logged pamela Member posted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TimeTravel_0- your pictures are posted
as promised and can be found here: http://pub2.ezboard.com/bmagisystems
click on the topic-
timelords anonymous and it is titled: anonymus
gravity/time device pictures. sincerely, pamela THANKS DOC! [This message has been
edited by pamela (edited IP: Logged pamela Member posted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Questions for timetravel_0
with permission to post. Pamela: by the way can you tell me
what it feels like to time travel? when you are in the process of doing it
what does it feel like and what do you see and hear. you made mention
that you had to get use to the fields. Do you see a bright flash of light? Timetravel_0: Interesting first
question. The unit has a ramp up time after the destination coordinates
are fed into the computers. An audible alarm and a small light start a short
countdown at which point you should be secured in a seat. The gravity field
generated by the unit overtakes you very quickly. You feel a tug toward the
unit similar to rising quickly in an elevator and it continues to rise based
on the power setting the unit is working under. At 100% power, the
constant pull of gravity can be as high as 2 Gs or more depending on how close you
are to the unit. There are no serious side effects but I try to avoid
eating before a flight. No bright flash of light
is seen. Outside, the vehicle appears to accelerate as the light is
bent around it. We have to wear sunglasses or close our eyes as this
happens due to a short burst of ultraviolet radiation. Personally I
think it looks like your driving under a rainbow. After that, it appears to
fade to black and remains totally black until the unit is turned off. We are
advised to keep the windows closed as a great deal of heat builds up
outside the car. The gravity field also traps a small air pocket around
the car that acts as your only O2 supply unless you bring compressed air with
you. This pocket will only last for a short period and a carbon sensor
tells us when it's too dangerous. The C204 unit is accurate from 50 to 60
years a jump and travels at about 10 years an hour at 100% power. You do hear a slight hum
as the unit operates and when the power changes or the unit turns off. There
is a great deal of electrical crackling noise from static electricity. Pamela: 1. what are some
of your memories of 2036? Timetravel_0: I remember
2036 very clearly. It is difficult to describe 2036 in detail without spending a great
deal of time explaining why things are so different. In 2036, I live
in central currently stationed at an
Army base in nearly three billion
people. The people that survived grew closer together. Life is centered around
the family and then the community. I can not imagine living even a few
hundred miles away from my parents. There is no large industrial complex
creating masses of useless food and recreational items. Food and livestock
is grown and sold locally. People spend much more time reading and talking
together face to face. Religion is taken seriously and everyone can multiple
and divide in the heads. Pamela: 2. can you send me
more of the manual? Timetravel_0: I will
considering it but I do not expect they are worth anything to most people except as a
curiosity. Pamela: 3.what would
happen if you would meet yourself on another world line? Timetravel_0: It has
always surprised me why that concept is so hard for people to imagine and accept. Nothing would
happen. The universe would not end and there are no paradox problems that
threaten existence. Temporal space-time is made up of every possible quantum
state. The Everett Wheeler model is correct. I have met and/or seen
myself twice on different world lines. The first was a training mission and the
second is now. I was born in 1998 so the other "me" is 2 on
this world line. There is a saying where I come from....Every possible thing that can
happen or will happen has already happened somewhere. Pamela: 4.How is this
world line different from your own? Timetravel_0: For
starters....the fact that I'm here makes it different. I've also noticed little things like
news events that happen at different times, football games won by
other teams...things like that. I would guess the temporal divergence
between this world line and my original is about 1 or 2 percent. Of course, the
longer I am here, the larger that divergence becomes from my point of
view. Pamela: 5.Is the vehicle a
jeep? Timetravel_0: No...its a
1967 Chevrolet.. Pamela: 6.Are you having
normal dreams right now? any out of body experiences? drawing you to different
times? Do you dream you wake up in other places and other times? TimeTravel_0: No strange
dreams or other experiences. Everything is pretty much the way I expected it. Pamela: 7.are you able to
control where you go or is it random? Timetravel_0: Yes, it can
be controlled. However, the distortion unit has operational limits. Imagine your path
through time is through a cone. The farther away from the center of the
cone, the more differences you will see in the world line. The C204 begins to
"break away" at about 60 years. This means the level of confidence drops
rapidly after 60 years of travel and the world line divergence increases.
In other words, if I wanted to go back 2000 years and meet Christ,
there is a better than average chance I would end up on a world line where he
was never born. The computer units and gravity sensors "record"
your trip and you are quite easily able to return to your point of origin. I am
aware that research is being done on faster units with more accurate clocks.
I imagine that they will be able to go back farther with a higher
degree of divergence confidence. Pamela: 8. are you feeling
drawn back to your own time or are you stable in this world? Timetravel_0: I'm not sure
what you mean by stable. If you mean mentally...there are many things that bother me here
but being with my parents right now is important to me. Physically, the
only thing really wrong is the number of colds I get. Pamela: 9.Are you able to
go back to your own world line? Timetravel_0: Yes. Pamela: 10.how are you
protecting yourself from radiation? it alters DNA if you dont. Timetravel_0: I'm not sure
what radiation you mean. If you mean from the unit, you can see it vents X-rays and
Gamma radiation out of the rear. As long as you stay away from that, you
should be okay. I keep a radiation detector with me to check my environment
and make sure the unit isn't "leaking". Pamela: 11.How long would
you say that ultraviolet radiation lasts? about 10 seconds? and when you are in that
light can you see anything around you or does the light kind of "fill
up" everything and that is all you can see at the time? Timetravel_0: The light
bending only lasts a second. Its like driving under a tunnel and being in total black. Pamela: 12.Do your people
know where you are right now? Can you communicate with them? do you have a biological
implant? Timetravel_0: No. They do
not know where I am and I can not communicate with them. Interesting idea though.
From their point of view, I will return almost exactly at the same moment
I left. From their viewpoint, I will only have aged more than expected. Pamela: 13. after the
flash of light is gone are you then in another time? what does it look like as the
new time unfolds? Is it just there? or does it slowly come into view?
does it fade in and out for a time? Timetravel_0: While the
machine is on. Everything is black. When the machine is turned off, it is the reverse
affect. It appears you are driving out from a bridge. To tell you the
truth, I'm usually sleeping when the unit turns off but yes...it does appear
that the world fades in from black. Pamela: 14. what happens
if the device messes up? Do you end up in space? if
it goes offline and shifts ? does a hole open elsewhere? Timetravel_0: Good
question!!! That one almost never comes up. The hard part of traveling through time is
not the bending of gravity but the plotting of your course and holding to
the basic "position" in your environment. This is done through a system
called VGL (variable gravity lock). Basically, the unit takes a reading of
the local gravity and samples it during the "trip" in pulses. If the gravity
is too far off, the unit stops or reverses itself to the last sample period
where the readings were correct. If there is some sort of failure, the unit
shuts down and drops out to where ever you may be. Pamela: 15. what affects
are caused on the immediate area where the gravity has been distorted after you
leave it and when you arrive? are there permanent effects left on the land
such as electromagnetic disturbances in that area? Timetravel_0: Another good
question!!! The only real physical trace is a large chunk of ground missing from the
point of origin and a large pile of dirt at the destination. The gravity
field surrounds a small portion of the earth under you and takes it along for
the ride. There is really no way around this. Please feel free to post
these if you wish. IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 05
November 2000 20:08 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pam, did you ask about
going forward in time? Do you need an invite from a future traveler? Where did
MR. 0 get the '67 chevy? Bringing chunks of ground
along with you as you casually rewrite the history of entire worlds? I guess
thats why Docs' Delorian was fitted with levitation equipment, to make a fast
get away from angry property owners having to fill and grade every time he time
jumps. TimeLine 2015; STOP THE
PRESSES!! 3 Billion Killed!!! Oh the presses are already stopped? Now if he
time traveled *before* the planet was pulverized it would be a bit more
believable. Does Mr. 0 work for GE?
Maybe he owns some GE stock. Speaking of stocks we could all use a hot tip from
the guy that already knows who's going to be the next Cisco, Coke or Microsoft. Most importantly why would
Mr. 0 want to talk the likes of us? IP: Logged Draco2 unregistered posted 06
November 2000 08:59 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey TIMETRAVEL_0!! That's a very interesting
experience you are describing!! I have one question for you, and that is in
regards to the climactic of the earth in 2034, had the polar ice caps melted,
as they are now doing at an accelorated rate in this current time. Sincerely, Draco IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 06
November 2000 09:04 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In response to Shadow: Perhaps it’s a bit easier
to understand why time travelers do not revel themselves. Yes, you can travel
forward in time. No, you do not need an “invite” from the future. I first saw
the car in 2036. The idea was to find a vehicle that would not draw too much
attention for the time period. Unfortunately, there were not very many suitable
vehicles around in 2036 and I sold the car when I arrived in 2000. You do not rewrite
history. I can only affect what happens here just as easily as you can. Why do
people in this time period worry so much about time traveler’s destroying their
world line when they have no problem doing it themselves every day? My goal is not to be
believed. Most people do not take news of the war very well but I find that
everyone believes it’s inevitable. Even in your own history, are not great
inventions and discoveries made during a time of war in your effort to kill and
main in new and more efficient ways? No, I do not work for GE
or any other company. Are “stock tips” really the first thing you want to know
about in the future? As a representative of your time period, do you realize
what that says about you? You should probably know that this time is not
remembered for its selflessness, charity or ability to work together. Why would I want to talk
to you? Why don’t you believe you have something interesting or worthwhile to
say to someone in the future? Mr. “O” IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 06
November 2000 09:08 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Draco: No, the ice caps are not
melting any faster than they are now. There is also far less smog and
industrial waste in 2036. IP: Logged Draco2 unregistered posted 06
November 2000 10:28 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey TimeTravel_0!!! So then what you're saying
is that our current computer models are wrong about Glacial and Polar Ice Cap
melting, even though they are going by our current emmisions rate and projected
emmisions of the growth of fossil fuels consumption?? While Global Warming is
factually happening and even if we stopped burning fossil fuels today and
stopped destroying the rain forests today, the impact that is already altered
our planetary climate would not stop today as the ball is already rolling. The
toxins in the ozone layer and the earths lessening inability to creat oxygen,
due to the catastrophic daily destruction of the rain forests that give us most
of our oxygen, would take longer than beyond the year 2036 to repair itself,
even with our help. I find it amazing that if you throw a WWIII into the
equation, one devistating enough to cause the death of 3 Billion people, would
not add to the excelloration of Global Warming and raise the sea level to the
point where in 2036 most of Florida will be underwater. Help me understand what
reversed this impending climatic catastrophy.. Sincerely, Draco IP: Logged Janus Member posted 06 November
2000 14:01 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok, Mr. 0 . First things:
you have to realize that people will be hostile toward you when you make such a
big claim. What reason have we to believe you? But, enough thought experiments
occur here anyways, so... I don't think any era in
history has been particularly noted for its compassion or selflessness. Why
should we be any different? Ok, so why not give us
stock tips? You said you weren't worried about polluting the timeline, right? As for rewriting history,
the normal objection is causality. But, if you use multiple-universe theory,
then it's all good. My question is, how do you get back to your proper universe
- you said you're very close to your family - how come another jump wouldn't
just send you into some third, different universe? And, finally: what happens
if you go back in time to a time when, right where you were standing, there was
a giant cement block? Do you just appear inside of it and die? Or do you get
pushed away? Thanks, Janus. IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 06
November 2000 16:43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Draco: You asked about the North
Polar ice pack. I never said the environment wasn't a problem. Doesn't water
expand when it freezes? If the polar ice cap melted, wouldn't sea level go
down? I don't know if there's enough ice for this to make a difference and I'm
not an expert on global warming. Mr. "0" IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 06
November 2000 17:26 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Janus: Yes, I realize people
become hostile. I don’t expect anyone to believe me and I have nothing to sell.
I take no offense by it. Just out of curiosity, if you were a time traveler,
what do you think it would take to get people to believe you? I suppose we could agree
that no particular era in history is famous for its development of humanity but
just once I would like to hear questions like, “What is family life like in the
future? How does society deal with poverty? Is AIDS, abortion and drug use
still a problem?” Why don’t I give you a
stock tip? The money you make would dilute the intelligence and forethought
that a smart person had in picking the stock all by themselves. If I told you
how to get rich, I would be taking money from them and giving it to you. Getting back to my
“proper” universe is tricky but possible. Yes, another jump would take me to a
different family. Cement block…good
question. The hard part of traveling to other world lines is just that. There
is a system of clocks and gravity sensors that sample the environment before
dropping out. Its called VGL, (variable gravity lock). If a cement block were
there, the machine would “backtrack” until it sensed relative congruity to the
original gravity sample. A great deal of time and effort goes into picking just
the right spot since you can not physically move during a displacement. Mr. “0” IP: Logged pamela Member posted 06 November
2000 22:13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- posted with permission: TimeTravel_0- Greetings: Please keep in mind a
couple of points as I answer your questions. First, Iam not a physicist.
"Time travel" is only a tool that allowed me to do my job 1975. Most airline
pilots are probably not aerospace engineers. Second, let me give you an
example of the position we are in. Imagine you live in the year 1900 and
a "time traveler" attempts to explain how a jet engine works. Even though
the invention of the airplane is only a decade inthe future, he would have to
find some frame of reference to explain the basics of flight. Then, he
would have to outline the mechanics of how the engine works. As amazing
as it would sound, the jet would be invented about thirty years later. Pamela: 1. can you explain
to me in detail the basic physics and mathematics behind how the machine
operates? and exactly how it distorts gravity. Timetravel_0: 1) Time
travel is achieved by altering gravity. This concept is already proven by
atomic clock experiments. The closer an observer is to a gravity source (high
mass), the slower time passes for them. Traveling at high speeds mimics this
effect which = the twin paradox of faster than light travel. However, this type
of gravity manipulation is not sufficient to alter your world line. The basic math to alter
world lines exists right now. Tipler first described a working
"time machine" through his theory of massive rotating spheres. I apologize for
the web site but it was the only one I could find quickly. http://www.geocities.com:0080/Area51/Station/5763/time.html
Certain types of black
holes also exhibit the "time travel" abilities of Tipler cylinders. Kerr was
one of the first to describe the dual event horizons of a rotating
black hole. As with Tipler's cylinders, it was possible to travel on a
"time-like" trip through a Kerr black hole and end up in a different world
line without being squished by the gravity of the singularity. http://www.physics.fsu.edu/courses/fall98/ast1002/section4/blackholes/fig11-13/fig11-132.htm
http://qso.lanl.gov/~bromley/nu_nofun.html
http://www.leonllo.freeservers.com/blackworm.html
http://www.astro.ku.dk/~cramer/RelViz/text/geom_web/node4.html
(deleted)....................................................... The mass and gravitational
field of a microsingularity can then be manipulated by
"injecting" electrons onto its surface. By rotating two electric microsigularities
at high speed, it is possible to create and modify a local gravity
sinusoid that replicates the affects of a Kerr black hole. For those asking how come
a microsingularity doesn't swallow the Earth or want to know details about
the size, stability, mass, temperature and resulting Hawking
radiation from such a thing.. those details I must keep to myself. Pamela: 2. can you travel
to the future as well as the past? my understanding of the machine is the trip
is recorded so you can get back to your original time line but what about a
future beyond your time line are you able to access it as well? or does it have to be open
by a future chrononaunt? Timetravel_0: Yes, you can
travel into the future and it takes less energy than going into the past. Pamela: 3.I dont see the
computer in the device. is it the hand held device on the side of the larger
device? If so what kind of power supply does the computer work off of is it
the battery as well or some type of crystal? Timetravel_0: The computer
system is connected to the unit through an electrical bus. There are actually three
computers linked together that take the same signals from the gravity
sensors and clocks. They use a Borda error correcting protocol that
checks the integrity of the data and trips the VGL system. Pamela:4.Is your DNA
remaining stable in this world or does it shift? does time traveling affect
your body or aura or spirit in any way you know of? timetravel_o: 4) I am not
aware of any physical change to my DNA or "aura". I do however seem
to be more susceptible to colds. Pamela: 5. when you go
back to the future will we remember you? Time travel_0: Yes, you
will remember me if you want to. World lines do not change that way and I will
only become a insignificant part of your history. [This message has been
edited by pamela (edited 06 November 2000).] IP: Logged Fast Member posted 07 November
2000 15:42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- mm..General Electric built
a time machine for the government? or are time machines so
common in the future that there makes and models are as commonly varied as our
age's car models..? Fast Out IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 07
November 2000 17:18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would equate the
"future" GM distortion units to their current jet engines. The first
one worked great but they can always make it better. The C204 unit uses 4 cesium
clocks. The C206 uses 6 cesium clocks but they use an optical system to check
the oscillation frequency. This makes the world line divergance confidence much
higher. IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 07
November 2000 21:01 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Time Traveler-0 If you could bring some
material thing back to your time in 2036 what would it be? Could I travel to a future
that was, say 0.5 seconds ahead of now? In the same vien, if you just happened
to arrive at "the year 2000" a fraction of a second in my past, or
future would I ever know that you just 'landed soonby"? In other words,
what makes this time line be 'now' at any given moment versus being any other
time. We exist as A point on a time LINE, what is it that defines that point? As far as how wonderfull
your people are in the time after the war I'm very happy for you. Maybe they
succeded in wiping out the RIGHT 3billion people. Something that could not be
done with the nuclear sledge hammer. Perhaps the enemy released a killer virus
that zeros in on only those who carried the Idiot gene? 2036 is not impossibly far
off, what is your street adress then? I'll stop in and swap tales from days of
old....assuming I live that long. IP: Logged pamela Member posted 07 November
2000 21:23 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- what will the year 2036 be
like? pamela: 1.I will ask you
about your environment then and I want to know about the family life and also
about your religion. what religion has survived? Do you believe in Jesus Christ
or someone else. Do people still pray to God? Do you still have churches? timetravel_0: Yes I
believe in Jesus Christ and we pray to God in churches. There aresome
differences you may be interested in. Religion is a major part ofpeoples life
in 2036. Pain and change tend to bring people together andcloser to God.
However, religion is far more personal than it is now. There are no huge,
centralized religions and people talk openly about theirbeliefs. It might also
interest you to know that the day of worship is Saturday, the day God
meant to be the Sabbath and the 10 commandments have been restored to the
"10" that God gave us. pamela: 2. what kind of
jobs do people do and do they still work long hours? whats the majority of job
types in the future? timetravel_0: Life is much
more rural in the future but "high" technology is used to communicate
and travel. People raise a great deal of their own food and do more
"farm" work. Yes, compared to now, we do work long hours. After the
war, my father made a living selling oranges up and down the West coast of
Florida. My closest friend raises horses and another works for a company that maintains
"wireless" internet nodes. pamela: 3.what is a
typical day like for someone in your time? do you still havethe internet? has
it advanced to all virtual reality yet? what type of diseases are
you currently dealing with? are there still advances in science? timetravel_0: A typical
day...hmmm. Life has changed so much over my lifetime that it's hard to pin
down a "normal" day. When I was 13, I was a soldier. As a teenager, I
helped my dad haul cargo. I went to college when I was 31 and I was recruited
to "time travel" shortly after that. Again...I suppose an average day
in 2036 is like an average day on the farm. pamela: 4.Is there still a
post office? how do you receive messages from one another? you said most
people talk face to face. timetravel-0: Yes...there
is a post office. The internet is still alive and well in the future. People
spend more time talking because life is more centered around the community.
I've noticed the same type of effect here when the power goes off. People tend
to come out of their homes and actually spend time with their neighbors. There
is a lot more personal trust and less paranoia. pamela: 5.what type of
houseing do you live in? timetravel_0: When I'm
with my parents, I live in a community made up of "tree houses" on a
large river in Florida. The river floods sometimes and we have access to the
Gulf. Most of our neighbors make a living off the sea or in moving cargo by
boat. pamela: 6.what started the
war? and who fought in it? who won?what countries were destroyed and what
survived? timetravel_0: Wow...that's
a big question. There is a civil war in the United States that starts in 2005.
That conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia launches a
nuclear strike against the major cities in the United States (which is the
"other side" of the civil war from my perspective), China and Europe.
The United States counter attacks. The US cities are destroyed along with the
AFE (American Federal Empire)...thus we (in the country) won. The European Union
and China were also destroyed. Russia is now our largest trading partner and
the Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska. pamela: 7.did you ever
discover what aliens were and ufos? timetravel_0: No new
information there. I find that an interesting subject myself. Personally, I
think "UFOs" might be time travelers with very sophisticated
distortion units. But that might be a bit wacky. pamela: 8. what type of
environmental problems do you know of that exist? do you have pure water to
drink? are you mostly vegetarian-seems how most people are going that way
today. timetravel_0: One of the
biggest reasons why food production is localized is because the environment is
so screwed up with disease and radiation. We are making huge strides in getting
it cleaned up. Water is produced on a community level and we do eat meat..that
we raise ourselves. pamela: 9. are they still
messing around with genetics? and altering the food and animals? timetravel_0:
Yes...genetic engineering is used but it's like any other technology. It can be
good and bad. One thing we did not do was create more hybrid seeds. What are
people thinking??? pamela:10.what do you
believe about life after death? timetravel_0: I am a
Christian Agnostic. I do not believe faith alone is enough to get us back to
God. I'm not sure what happens when we die but I'm pretty sure it's not a walk
in the park. pamela: 11. do you have an
advances in spacetravel or exploration? timetravel_0: No. We are
working on it. pamela: 12. what new
inventions do we have to look forward to? timetravel_0: Hmmm....I
hesitate to answer but I'll give a bit. Hydrogen fuel cells and more efficient
solar cells are big deals. Computer technology and software gets MUCH better. pamela: 13. what brings
you the greatest joy on Earth? what are some things you and others do for
entertainment and fun? timetravel_0: I like this
question. My greatest joy is sailing. For fun, I enjoy swimming, playing cards,
reading, playing games on the net and talking with people who live in other
countries. As a community, we celebrate much more and have bon fires and
dances. My hobby is sorting through old magazines and videos of life before the
war. pamela: 14. what are your
schools and universities like? timetravel_0: After the
war, early new communities gathered around the current Universities. That's
where the libraries were. I went to school at Fort UF which is now called the
University of Florida. Not too much is different except the military is large part
of people's life and we spend a great deal of time in the fields and farms at
the "University" or Fort. pamela: 15. what are some
of your fondest memories growing up? what kind of cameras do you have now to
take pictures of the family? did they ever invent a hologram camera? timetravel_0: Most of my
memories growing up are not fond. Life was very hard. Simple things make me
happy like hugging my mother and father. Yes, we have cameras. More digital.
Film is used like painting is today. No hologram camera though. pamela: 16. do you still
have telephones? what is your major source of energy that you use? solar power?
electricity? have you discovered new energies. timetravel_0: Yes we have
phones but the service is through the web. Most power generation is localized.
It amazes me how much power is wasted now. Yes, solar is big. There is thought
that a singularity generator could also be used but most people are against it. pamela: 17. how do you
take care of your elderly? and your poor and your orphans? and the ones who
cannot work? timetravel_0: The elderly
are highly revered and looked after on a community level. So are orphans. There
is always something people can do now matter what. The idea of avoiding work is
looked down on. Everyone pulls together to keep the COMMUNITY strong. pamela: 18. what is the
dress style of the time what do you wear on your bodies as a style? timetravel_0: Hats are
more common in the future and flashy colors are less common. Dress is much more
functional and we "dress up" when ever we get a chance. I have
noticed that no one in this time dresses for occasions even when they have the
clothes. Why do people wear shorts to church? pamela: 19. do people wear
their hair differently than we do?every generation has a different style what
is the style of your time? what is popular for kids to wear? for adults to
wear? timetravel-0: We do not
spend nearly the amount of time on our hair as people do now. Women like to
wear their hair longer and men have it much shorter. Both sexes shave it all
off when they're in active military service. pamela: 20. are surgeries
mostly performed by lasars? or were there new technologies developed? timetravel_o: Far less
medical treatment in the future even though its more advanced. People die when
they now its time to die. No lasers. Genetic medicine and cloning organs are
the obvious new techs in the future. pamela: 21. do you still
have the current form of government, presidents and vice presidents like we do? timetravel_0: No. The
Constitution was changed after the war. We have 5 presidents that are voted in
and out on different term periods. The vice president is the president of the
senate and they are voted separately. pamela: 22. how do you get
from one place to another with not many cars around.do you teleport from one
place to another? timetravel_0: We have
cars...just not a whole bunch of them. There is public transportation from city
to city. IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 07
November 2000 22:18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If I could bring some
material thing back to your time from 2036...it would be a copy of the new US
Constitution. Yes, you could travel to a
future that was 0.5 seconds ahead of now but not with my machine. The C204 uses
the second as the basic unit of measure. The C206 may be capable of .05 sec. (In the same vien, if you
just happened to arrive at "the year 2000" a fraction of a second in
my past, or future would I ever know that you just 'landed soonby"?) No "you" would
not. But the "you" on that world line would. (In other words, what
makes this time line be 'now' at any given moment versus being any other time.
We exist as A point on a time LINE, what is it that defines that point?) It is believed there are
some sort of measurable quantum differences in world lines. I am not an expert
on that so I can offer little information. (As far as how wonderfull
your people are in the time after the war I'm very happy for you. Maybe they
succeded in wiping out the RIGHT 3billion people.) Yes, we did. (2036 is not impossibly
far off, what is your street adress then? I'll stop in and swap tales from days
of old....assuming I live that long.) You would be welcome in my
home. IP: Logged pamela Member posted 08 November
2000 11:47 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Timetravel_0- 1.Without going into
detail what you are here specifically for can you please explain what the
primary purpose of time travel is in the future? 2.Why it is used and how
often to your knowledge it is used.? 3.Are there specific time
periods time .travelers go to most? 4.you stated there were
several time machines available are they all active at this time to your
knowledge? 5.What kind of car are you
going to go back in since you sold the Chevy? 6.Are you able to take
people with you in the same car back to your time or another time? IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 08
November 2000 22:27 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (1.Without going into
detail what you are here specifically for can you please explain what the
primary purpose of time travel is in the future?) In 2036, a great deal of
effort is going into "repairing" our environment. I was sent to 1975
to get a computer system and take it back to 2036. Time travel is not a secret
in 2036 and I expect it will become more common. (2.Why it is used and how
often to your knowledge it is used.?) Right now, its used to get
information or "items" that would be helpful in getting a post WWIII
world back to a normal condition. There are 7 other time travelers in my unit. (3.Are there specific time
periods time .travelers go to most?) Right now, most of our
practical missions are from 1960 to 1980. There is a great deal of research
into later and future periods but the farther you go, the lower the divergence
confidence of the world line. (4.you stated there were
several time machines available are they all active at this time to your
knowledge?) Yes. (5.What kind of car are
you going to go back in since you sold the Chevy?) It's a 1987 4WD. The
vehicle needs a strong suspension system to handle the weight of the distortion
unit. (6.Are you able to take
people with you in the same car back to your time or another time?) Yes. IP: Logged Curious unregistered posted 09
November 2000 12:41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Timetravel_0, I have a
couple of tech questions. If you change "vehical" do you have to
re-calibrate the unit? (Does mass effect the field strength or power level
needed to travel?) What kind of coils are used to contain, and maintain the
singularity? (tri-coil, or quadrature coil, etc.) Can your unit also
dimensionally travel? (can it move laterally in time as well as
forward/reverse) Curious IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 09
November 2000 09:35 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To TimeTravel_0 Have you seen the movies
'Terminator' and 'Terminater 2'? We have a lot of good movies in this time but
it is hard to pick them out from the huge piles of "trash movies". Movies are contemporary
liturature. IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 09
November 2000 11:01 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TT_0, If your conveyence is
accurate to one second then you must have a reason for picking the particular
second or at least particular day or week, you did. Let me guess, you are here
NOW to look at the unusual hung election we have going on. Or maybe this is the
trigger event in the comming world wide econmic meltdown? Some other piviot
point in history? Fess up. Why now? IP: Logged Fast Member posted 11 November
2000 12:34 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TT0- if you journeyed here from
2036(i think) to get a computer system,why is it you are posting on a time
travel message board information as to how you arrived here? treason! a VW Bus would make a fine
time machine Fast Out -------------------- Got light? Make matter. pamela2@raex.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 985 | From: U.S.A |
Registered: Apr 2001 | IP: Logged
Pamela Moderator Member # 15 posted December 25, 2002 16:02 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Time-travel Paradoxes!
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Paradoxes! Fast Member posted 11 November
2000 12:41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- to TT0: "--The C204 unit is accurate from 50 to 60
years a jump and travels at about 10 years an hour at 100% power. --" 10 years an hour? from 2036 wouldnt that
take three+ hours?? how could you survive with
merly the pocket of air you caught in your vehicle's field?? Fast Out IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 11
November 2000 18:46 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Curious: (If you change
"vehical" do you have to re-calibrate the unit?) Yes. But its a function of
the VGL system. A gravity baseline is taken and rechecked every thime the unit
is used. A new vehicle would alter the gravity signature. (What kind of coils are
used to contain, and maintain the singularity?) I am not a phycist so I
can not answer that to your level of sophistication. The singularities are held
in an enclosed magnetic field. (Can your unit also
dimensionally travel?) No. However, the longer
the unit is on past a safe divergance confidence, the "stranger" the
world line becomes. The unit I have is safe to about 1% for every sixty years
at max power. IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 11
November 2000 18:56 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TO Shadow: (Have you seen the movies
'Terminator' and 'Terminater 2'?) Yes. I've seen those
movies. Very entertaining. (If your conveyence is
accurate to one second then you must have a reason for picking the particular
second or at least particular day or week, you did.) My goal was to reach a
certain date and time which is converted into seconds for the computer to make
its calculations. I do not pick the second. Its more important to have a low
divergance confidence number. (Let me guess, you are
here NOW to look at the unusual hung election we have going on. Or maybe this
is the trigger event in the comming world wide econmic meltdown? Some other
piviot point in history? Fess up. Why now?) I would use the word
"elections" a bit cautiously. Perhaps its easier now to see a civil
war in your future? IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 11
November 2000 19:07 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Fast: (if you journeyed here
from 2036(i think) to get a computer system,why is it you are posting on a time
travel message board information as to how you arrived here? treason!) Why would it be treason? IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 11
November 2000 19:11 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Fast Out: (10 years an hour? from
2036 wouldnt that take three+ hours?? how could you survive with merly the
pocket of air you caught in your vehicle's field??) Yes...that's about right
but my initial trip was to 1975, not 2000. I guess its a question of how many
technical details you really want or you feel I'm making up. We do take
addtional 02 and the air pocket is a bit larger than you might think. IP: Logged Curious unregistered posted 11
November 2000 20:09 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Timetravel_O I am
surprised they went with the VGL system over the "time lock" system.
It must be more accurate as far as timeline devergance. No direct lateral
travel huh? That means some places are not easily accessable.(there is a safe
place to hide, LOL) One last question, Can anybody operate the 204 unit? Or is
it safe guarded by a "key of some kind? Thanks for answering. Yes, you
would be welcome at my home. Curious IP: Logged Fast Member posted 11 November
2000 20:28 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TT0: the chinese were said to
threaten death by torture to those who gave away the secret of silk
making...why not time travel also? i now understand the
oxygen part,thought i found a slip in your trip(to coin a phrase) to our(or
1975...) time... why is it you traveled to
1975 anyway?? Fast Out IP: Logged Searcher of Truth unregistered posted 12
November 2000 13:22 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Time travel_0, I followed the link to
your pictures and if time travel is not a secret in your "time" then
why do the top of your pictures say "restricted file"?? restricted file means
LIMITED TO AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL ONLY. Have you considered the
possible adverse consequences the person might face that you had post them for
you since you remain covert? or don't you care since it is not your world line.
what about the people that read the information and attempt to build one? what
if they get injured in the process because they are not knowledgeable enough to
handle the forces they are playing with at this "time". what is your true purpose
for posting assumingly "restricted" government documents on a public
bulletin board where everyone can see it? Did your Unit Commander
authorize such a thing or is it something you decided to do completely on your
own? Have you considered your
actions and probable outcome carefully? -SOT IP: Logged Curious unregistered posted 12
November 2000 14:06 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Seeker of Truth. The
chances of one of us building a C204 are slim to none. (and Slim's dead) Who's
to say that someone that will read this board, will be the one to actually
invent the means for the C204 (or other units) to be operational? The divergance
factor is so low, everbody will forget about this in a short time. I wouldn't
worry about it When Timetravel_0 goes back, this will be nothing but a
memory... IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 12
November 2000 16:41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Have you considered the
possible adverse consequences the person might face that you had post them for
you since you remain covert? or don't you care since it is not your world line.
what about the people that read the information and attempt to build one? what
if they get injured in the process because they are not knowledgeable enough to
handle the forces they are playing with at this "time".) Yes, I have considered it
but it is very easy to remain hidden behind a veil of disbelief. The people who
understand what they are seeing are not aggressive. Everyone else just finds
them entertaining. The obvious first answer is that the only world line of
consequence is my own and I don’t care what happens here. That however, is not
the case. I have shown these documents in order that people might consider the
possibility. I do not expect people to believe them. (what is your true purpose
for posting assumingly "restricted" government documents on a public
bulletin board where everyone can see it?) The restricted nature of
the documents I posted refers to the departmentalized nature of the technical
information. The manual is supposed to remain with the unit. The current F-16
fighter jet probably has an operations manual. All the information in it is not
secret but no one wants it to “walk” away from the plane. (Did your Unit Commander
authorize such a thing or is it something you decided to do completely on your
own?) I am here for personal
reasons. For a few months now, I have bee trying to alert anyone that would
listen to the possibility of a civil war in the United States in 2005. Does
that seem more likely now? Actually it’s quite amazing to see what’s happening.
I have been trying to get people to pay attention for the last few months but
to see it unfold is very interesting. Before I leave, I’ll try and post my
report. I am curious… will anyone
be upset if Florida’s votes are not counted in the Electoral College because of
the current “confusion”? (Have you considered your
actions and probable outcome carefully?) Yes. IP: Logged Curious unregistered posted 12
November 2000 17:22 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Timetravel_0, People have
been "warned" of the upcoming events (or high probability of) for sometime.
The date seems to move up and down the timeline a little, but the out come
seems to be the same. Some of the "new age crackpots(?)" have already
said this. A few have even given an estimate of when (some have been close to
the year you stated). From what I understand, it is coinciding with a natural
disaster (or cosmic event). I hope not be around then. Have a safe trip. Good
luck. Curious -------------------------------------------- Pardon my intrusion on
your post, I thought it would be more suitable to include the following
information here, as it is synonymous with your post, and placing it at the end
of this thread where the conversation has taken a different direction
altogether would not be in sync with the current flow of thought. p)'i4q4----------------- Flood forthcoming Monday, November 27 2000 @
03:26 AM EST Contributed by: Porfiry Global warming could be on
the verge of triggering a rise in sea levels that would flood huge swathes of
the Earth's most densely populated regions, says an unpublished report from the
world's top climate scientists. Caused in large part by the melting of Greenland's
ice sheet, this process would take a thousand years or more but would be
"irreversible" once under way. The report, due to be
published next May by the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC), is being read by the world's governments. The final draft seen by New
Scientist suggests that dozens of the countries meeting this week to agree on
global warming limits through the Kyoto Protocol may face being wiped off the
world map. Four years ago, the IPCC
forecast that sea levels could rise by half a metre in this century and by a
maximum of between 1.5 and 3 metres over the coming 500 years. The new
assessment suggests an eventual rise of 7 to 13 metres is more likely. This is
enough to drown immense areas of land and many major cities. These rises will
occur even if governments succeed in halting global warming within the next few
decades, the report says. Two factors are causing
the rise: the slow spread of heat to the ocean depths and the destabilising of
major ice sheets. It will take about a thousand years for warming in the
atmosphere to reach the bottom of the oceans. The resulting thermal expansion
"would continue to raise sea levels for many centuries after stabilisation
of greenhouse gas concentrations". Even if global warming is halted within
a century, thermal expansion will eventually raise the oceans by between 0.5
and 4 metres. Even more alarming is the
fate of the ice that covers Greenland. Among all of the world's ice sheets,
this is now thought to be "the most vulnerable to climatic warming".
It contains enough snow and ice to raise sea levels by about 7 metres if it
melts. And this looks increasingly likely to happen. Models show that after any
warming above 2.7 °C, "the Greenland ice sheet eventually disappears".
Nearly all predictions show Greenland warming more than this, says the report,
and the faster the warming, the faster the melting. An extra 5.5 °C would cause
sea levels to rise by 3 metres over a thousand years. An 8 °C warming would
cause a 6-metre rise in sea levels in the same time. The report's authors are
not allowed to discuss their findings until publication. But Jonathan Gregory
of Britain's Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Bracknell,
who co-authored the chapter on sea level, told New Scientist recently that once
under way, the disintegration of the Greenland ice sheet would be
"irreversible this side of a new ice age". The fate of the West
Antarctic ice sheet, which is perched on submerged islands, remains
controversial, says the report. If it melted, it would raise sea levels by a
further 6 metres. Some experts quoted in the report predict that the sheet
could entirely disappear within 700 years. Others, supported by the authors,
expect that the sheet will contribute "no more than 3 metres" to sea
level in that time. If sea levels were 10
metres higher than today by the year 3000, it would cause the inundation of a
total area larger than the US, with a population of more than a billion people
and most of the world's most fertile farmland. Fred Pearce From New Scientist
magazine, 25 November 2000. [This message has been
edited by Time02112 (edited 27 November 2000).] IP: Logged pamela Member posted 12 November
2000 17:44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TimeTravel_0- is there some reason you
are not responding to any of my e-mails lately? I have deleted all of your
e-mails from my computer to protect you.noone will ever know your e-mail
address. that is my promise to you. if your not going to reply
to me can you just answer me one question....was that you I seen? or you can
e-mail me if you still can. sincerely, pamela IP: Logged pamela Member posted 12 November
2000 20:53 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- timetravel_0- OK. your friend, pamela IP: Logged daViper unregistered posted 13
November 2000 23:04 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contrary to popular
belief, and certain speculations here, the plain simple fact is, ther ARE no
paradoxes. There never have been and there never will be. The term itself is an
oxymoron and an invention of the intellect of the human mind, in search of
creative thought and outright fantasy. The Universe exists without either the
need for, or possibility of them. Once one comes to this
simple realization, one can then put the concept of "Time Travel" in
IT'S proper perspective. Namely, that as is usually thought of, it doesn't
exist. Never has, never will. For the simple reason that our invented concept
of time itself is fundamentally flawed. Time is not an entity. It is a unit of
measurement invented by man, to define the interval between cause and effect.
Like Meter. Or Yard. Or Foot. Or pound. Can we "Meter" travel? or
"Foot" travel? Or perhaps "Acre" travel? Gets silly doesn't
it. Why does anyone think you can actually "Time" travel? Interesting that the so
called "Twins Paradox" was not discussed in depth here, but then it's
really not a paradox at all. It is only beleived to BE one by people who do not
understand the simple laws of physics and the Theory of relativity. If anyone is interested, I
can show you how it CANNOT be a paradox. Unless you already know. In which case
you wouldn't be here speculating on the "how" of something that
doesn't exist in the first place. It isn't that Time Travel
is not possible, it's that there is NO SUCH THING in the first place. Never has
been. Never will be. Like the Gods of MT. Olympus. Or the Fire Breathing
Dragons of old. And Pegasus. Or the Earth as the Center of the Universe. It's
mythology. Based on INNOCENT ignorance. It's a skewed concept created by a lack
of understanding of the fundamental Theories of relativity (General and
Special), in the first place. And it doesn't require
"Multiple" Universes to solve. If there are multiple universes, than
there MUST be an INFINITE number of them. In which case, all things that have
ever happened, will happen, are happening Now. If THAT'S the case, what makes
anyone think they have anything resembling free will at all? Alas, I'm afrid even THIS
attempt to resolve the so called "paradoxes" of Time Travel is also a
pursuit in search of what is a non-existant problem in the first place. Another
lapse into inventing a new mythology. IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 13
November 2000 23:24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TimeTravel_0 Checked out the picture
and documents (Pamala?) posted. Your '67 Chev looks remarkably new.......hmmmm If the manual is leggit
and thats a real working time machine in your front seat, the OBVIOUS
conclusion, if not the correct conclusion, is that you are either in the employ
of the US Army or you stole the friggen thing. I hardly think you picked it up
for 20 bucks at the surplus store. Looks like you've got a
little baby field model there, the owners of which would surely have bigger and
badder ones to come and collect it with. But you would know all about that.
What you might not know is that the people who actually run things around now,
will snatch you right out of your shoes at the first possible instant they get
wind of you and your ah....... thing. The one thing that you are
REALLY REALLY NOT supposed to do is show up with something that might be
percieved to be "dangerous". You had better hide real good or get
lost, one. Been nice 'talking' to ya.
Why not just spill the *entire* pan of beans before you split? Anything to piss
off the rich folks, I say. IP: Logged Janus Member posted 14 November
2000 15:25 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hope 'Mr. 0' is still
there... I'd like to believe you.
What I need is one more prediction - you've predicted an American civil war in
2005; in order to fully believe you, I need one more unambiguous prediction
like that. Something like, maybe, who will win the 100m in Salt Lake City.
Really, anything like that, if I see two predictions like that come true you
will have my unwavering belief. I'm a rationalist but not an idiot - the
problem with most people who claim to time travel is that they have no evidence
to back it up. What I ask for would be enough evidence for me, and probably
most people. [This message has been
edited by Janus (edited 14 November 2000).] IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 15
November 2000 13:56 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. DaViper, A broken clock tells the
right time twice a day. IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 15
November 2000 14:12 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Shadow If this shows up twice, I
apologize. (Your '67 Chev looks
remarkably new.......hmmmm) Thanks. I sold it when I
arrived here. It attracted a great deal of attention. Perhaps that's why it was
still around in 2036. (...you are either in the
employ of the US Army...) More or less correct. (Looks like you've got a
little baby field model there, the owners of which would surely have bigger and
badder ones to come and collect it with.) Why would they come
looking for me? I'm expected back but I will only have been gone a few seconds
from their point of view. (What you might not know
is that the people who actually run things around now, will snatch you right
out of your shoes at the first possible instant they get wind of you and your
ah....... thing.) Stupidity and greed are
fairly predictable for a period of time. (The one thing that you
are REALLY REALLY NOT supposed to do is show up with something that might be
percieved to be "dangerous".) Have you considered that
your society might be better off if half of you were dead? (Why not just spill the
*entire* pan of beans before you split? Anything to piss off the rich folks, I
say.) I'm thinking about it. I'm
waiting for my family to buy up all the good stuff cheap first...(joke). IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 15
November 2000 14:20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Janus: (I'd like to believe you.
What I need is one more prediction - you've predicted an American civil war in
2005; in order to fully believe you, I need one more unambiguous prediction
like that.) I appreciate the position
you are in but you must realize that I am not affected in the least if you
believe me or not. (Something like, maybe,
who will win the 100m in Salt Lake City.) Off the top of your head,
can you tell me if it rained in Atlanta this time last year? Do you think time
travelers carry a sports reffrence with them? (Really, anything like
that, if I see two predictions like that come true you will have my unwavering
belief.) It is a mistake to give
anyone your unwavering belief...but you will find that out yourself in 2005. IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 15
November 2000 14:33 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Curious (One last question, Can
anybody operate the 204 unit? Or is it safe guarded by a "key of some
kind? Thanks for answering. Yes, you would be welcome at my home.) The unit has two security
systems to protect it from "most" people. One, it has a code that
must be entered correctly. Second, and probably more effective now, the unit
can not be used by anyone who can't add and subtract. IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 15
November 2000 14:41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Fast: (i now understand the
oxygen part,thought i found a slip in your trip(to coin a phrase) to our(or
1975...) time... why is it you traveled to 1975 anyway??) The first "leg"
of my trip was from 2036 to 1975. After two VGL checks, the divergance was
estimated at about 2.5% (from my 2036). I was "sent" to get an IBM
computer system called the 5100. It was one the first portable computers made
and it has the ability to read the older IBM programming langages in addition
to APL and Basic. We need they system to "debug" various lagacy
computer programs in 2036. UNIX has a problem in 2038. IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 15
November 2000 20:29 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For totally selfish
reasons I would like to know how one would communicate across time periods?
Think of the grief one could save themselves by simply by calling yourself at
6AM from 6PM and getting the lowdown on the days pitfalls. It is tough for me to visualize
how, from our perspective, the future is frozen solid such that you could knock
around here for a week or two and yet scarcely a blink of an eye has passed in
2036. If you want to get peoples
attention, it seemes to me that a pocket full of real US currency and coins
dated 2001 and up would cause a stir. It could be used as a standard test to
see who is braindead and who can add 2+2. You speak of 1 & 2 %
"divergence" as being unimportant. I don't get it. Like for example
if OUR IBM5100 is 1% different than the code you have to run on it, it ain't
gonna work right. One percent in the FL vote count would be important. If I
could see only 99% of the cars on the road it would be important to me. So,
what exactly is X% divergent, and why is it not a major problem? Janus is a Scientist.
Don't mess with him! IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 15
November 2000 21:39 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh, sorry Janus, forget I
said that. I must have gotten your post mixed up with somebody eleses. To TimeTravler_0 The trouble with having
the "half the population dead" is that before the fact, one cannot
tell to which half ones' self belongs. The politics of who gets thrown out of
the lifeboat and who gets to stay is not topic for polite conversation. So lets
ask the question in the affirmative. " What does one have to do in order
to stay on the lifeboat?" I don't immagine you have
much a fondness for the CJD (mad cow) prion. Any advise on how to defeat or avoid
this plauge? IP: Logged mokrie dela Member posted 16 November
2000 12:35 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _0 ---Just popped in for a
minute. If your on the level could you be so kind as to drop me off in 1880.
No, I'm not kidding. If you pick up hitch hikers I'd really like a ride. Also,
I've missed you Pamela and Time and the ever evasive Doc. IP: Logged pamela Member posted 16 November
2000 12:43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mokrie!!!!!!! {{{{{HUG}}}}}} I missed you to. I was
wondering what world you fell into ( heheheh.) hey now...only so many of
us can fit into the 4x4! I asked first! I get the front seat!!!! heheh. Doc if you are out there
somewhere you need to respond! we are worried about you. alot of people have
written you and you have not responded. your friends care about you! sincerely, pamela IP: Logged daViper unregistered posted 16 November
2000 16:42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shadow: There is only ever one
"time period" to communicate in. This one. The "now". In the classic so called
"twins paradox", the two are always in the same time line. Visualize the traveling
twin doing this travel always in sight of Earth. Orbiting the Sun at near the
spped of light. He is always visible from Earth via telescope and radio.
Although there will be some doppler shifting in his image and radio signals,
communication is nevertheless still possible. Just difficult. He is traveling
for what seems to be his Earth bound twin's span of 50 years. During his
voyage, he ALSO counts the Earth rotating around the Sun 50 times! Yup. That's
the way it works. Yet when he finally lands back on Earth, he has aged only 5
years! Relativity has slowed his BIOLOGICAL clock, relative to his twin. Not
time itself. Just like it slows the atomic clock on the moving jet plane,
relative to the one left on the ground. Gravity has little or nothing to do
with it. It is the difference in RELATIVE velocity that produces what gets
measured as time dilation. The same is tru for the twins. Actually, neither
twin left the other's time line. Both were always in the same one. Both counted
50 revolutions of the Earth around the Sun, but the travelers biological CLOCK
ran slower. That's all. There is no paradox. And
communiction across "time periods" is only ever communication across
the same time period. Where I am now, it's 11:30
AM. But in Japan, it's 4:30 TOMMORROW MORNING. But me and the Japanese are
still in the same time line, time period (in the greater sense), and can
communicate with each other just fine. The past has gone by. The
future hasn't happened yet. And all the near light speed travel or power
sources that alter matter can't change that. It's a rather fundamental law of
the universe. Even Einstein only ever
said time running backwards during faster than light travel, MIGHT be possible.
He NEVER said for sure that it was true or for certain WOULD occur. And even
withdrew further and further from this original position as he got older. In the pure scientific
sense, we need to always be vigilant as to the difference in what constitutes
hypothesis, and what constitutes theory. Good science always tries
to DISPROVE hypothesis. Not prove it. Failure to DIS-prove it is what then
results in what becomes evolving theory. And still only theory at that. Enjoy. IP: Logged pamela Member posted 16 November
2000 23:33 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DaViper....biological
clock ran slower? Can you explain this
concept further? sincerely, pamela [This message has been
edited by pamela (edited 17 November 2000).] IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 17
November 2000 09:34 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is thought that being
close to a gravitational field has a biological effect on all matter including
cells. The effect is to slow the movement of electrons in the orbits of their
nucleus which thus slows the mechanical and bilological functions of the
observer close to the gravity. Thus the passing of time
is a local phenomenon depending on how close you are to a gravitational source. This is one example of a
theory involving "time shells" progressing in size and intensity
around a gravitational point from all matter. The more massive the object, the
larger and more influencial the time shells around it (like an onion). Another
offshoot of this theory is that kinetic energy is actually the conversion of
stored energy in the atom as it passes through time shells in a gravitational
field. IP: Logged pamela Member posted 17 November
2000 12:01 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Time travel_0- Would this serve a purpose
to put cloned or donated organs in a feild to keep it as fresh and unaged as
possible until ready to transplant into the new recepient patient? In response to your last
e-mail... you never know what my
future will hold. maybe I'll be visiting
YOU. (maybe in one of those advanced distortion units.) IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 17
November 2000 19:12 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To daViper Here's the way I see it if
I want to "foot travel or acre travel" or even frothing at the mouth
mad dog banana split travel then I will just get on with it. I don't need you
to tell me I can't. Heck if I want to pretend that I'm Superman and fly around
the sun 50 times to save Lois Lane........oh excuse me THAT ONE was YOUR idea. We got a guy on here whom
I believe to be an actual time traveler, somebody that knows about gravic
shells. artificial singularities, computers and the history of the next 36
years. Somebody who has "been there done that" and I don't really
want to hear you spouting off about what you learned in 6th grade science
class. I took the same class 35 years ago. Here is a news flash for you;
Einstien was out of date 60 years ago. You say there is no
possibility of any time paradox ever occuring. How in heck would you know? Even
if you are right on this one, its a lucky guess on your part. You don't know. I
don't think you could think your way out of a paper bag. You said that it is
"tommorrow in Japan". Does that mean that it is yesterday in Spain?
Good grief, get a grip. If you would think a little more yourself, maybe you
would be less inclined to tell everybody else how to do it. I do advise however, that
you could stick around and learn something. IP: Logged pamela Member posted 17 November
2000 21:11 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shadow, I have to hand it to you
that was funny!bananna split travel...hehheh your a good person I can
tell. I personally cannot
understand why someone posts on a timetravel web site that doesnot beleive time
travel is or ever will be possible. but Im glad they do because I do learn
things from them. I think it a little
humerous..... although it would be foolish to beleive everyone that says they
are a time travler that shows up on here, and we have actually disproved
several fake attempts. I beleive if a real time traveler actually showed up...
nobody would even beleive them. there is only a couple of people on here who
even asked this guy questions. even though this web site gets an average hit of
about 98 people in a 12 hour period. how could you ever come to
the knowledge of the truth if you dont ask questions? my question is....do we
really beleive time travel is possible or do we have to be one who experiences
a little of it first before we will even consider it? Is time travel ever going
to be a possibility in our future? if the answer is yes but not for thousands
of years...well if they travel back to our time then it now becomes a
possibility in our time as well. DaViper? why is it you
have not attempted to Disprove why the diagrams could not work? why have you not argued
against the use of singularities? or why it could not be possible for him to be
here? Is it because you don't understand what it is you are seeing? I want to
hear the arguments why nobody beleives this could be a possibility ....dont any
of you people have an opinion? In our current view of
things The possibility of it not being true is pretty high for a time traveler
to openly expose himself in this manner..but..what if in his world time travel
is not a secret? In relating to a time
traveler from a future time may be like relating to an alien from another country,another
dimension or even another world. you first have to understand the environment
from which they came. depending on how far in the future it would be.. their
thinking would not be the same on certain issues because of how they were
raised in their environment. I think it is as he has
said though that some people would not beleive it even if the machine was right
in front of them. Just consider for a
moment.... what if it was true? what a great opportunity you have all lost. sincerely, pamela [This message has been
edited by pamela (edited 18 November 2000).] IP: Logged Curious unregistered posted 17
November 2000 23:22 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My opinion is that there
is a high probability that he (Timetravel_0) is as he has represented him self.
And to add to that, what makes anybody so sure there hasn't been others? How
would you know? Do you think they will show you a time travel visa? It is sometimes
amazing how great the human mind is able to except new ideas. The (energy
field) diagram in the manual looks very similar to some diagrams that were
perported to be from the Philadephia Project.(from an Al Beilek video tape)
Just my opinion, I could be wrong........... IP: Logged Dr Light unregistered posted 19
November 2000 06:15 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now then.. If i go back to the year
1960 and give the scientist community there a book on advanced electronics in
computers , would it not be that they would READ this book and design say, a
pentium 3 chip in 1960 that would forward our technology advances 40 years? if that is so how would
this timeline be like? Would we have far better microproccessors here in 2000? The materials needed to
produce a chip like the P3 for example were availiable (to an extent) in 1960.
So it would not be unheard of for me to jump back in time , give a book on
microprocessors to IBM and see what they come up with... A thought... Did anyone witness the
giant computer "boom" of the late 60's? Computer
technology went from basic 286 processors to great big polygon crunchers in the
early 90's. In the space a short 10 years microprocessor speeds have doubled every
six months... Technology is advancing at
an incredible rate which leads me to think that perhaps we were visited by
timetravelers in the 60's or thereof, in order to further the advancement of
the human race. How does one explain the massive technology jumps from the
moonlanding to our present time? Seems to quick to go from
a 286 to a 1 GHZ... I think we had help , but
thats my opinion. Insights? Opinions? Thankyou. Dr Light IP: Logged Fast Member posted 19 November
2000 19:35 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- according to TT0,our
technology would not change in the least..you would return you your original
dimension and the book would(POSSIBLY) advance some other dimension's technology... Fast Out IP: Logged Dr Light unregistered posted 20
November 2000 12:14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But if the parallel worlds
theory is true , that would make the book in question be relevant to ALL worlds
including the one i just came from... Therefore that would make
technology jumps for all of the worlds, not just every dimension besides mine. Perhaps it would evolve
differently for my dimension but there is still the fact that it WOULD evolve
because i went back and changed history for every world. But.... that's my opinion... IP: Logged Time02112 Member posted 20 November
2000 12:20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I still say
"Something" of a very peculiar High Strangeness did occur in Roswell
in the fourties, and whatever it was, it had something to contribute to our
current Time-Line, which altered it indefinately. IP: Logged Dr Light unregistered posted 20
November 2000 12:35 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A few words.. i just finished reading
the whole two pages and i have come to this conclusion. Pamela...your a
champion...no really...and thank you for the links. and Mr_0....good luck my
friend...see you in 2036. P. Light Thanks you IP: Logged Dr light unregistered posted 20
November 2000 05:39 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You sold your 67' when you
got here? how do you expect to get
back?! Also, how have you
overcome the problem of housing , food , job ,social security number , tax...or
perhaps you are not here for that long. Also how did you get on
the net and have access to a scanner to reproduce your work on the net? So many questions and
things to do in this time..yet you have the time to post your C204 manual on
the web. I am not trying to
disprove you Mr _0, but the people in power (pamela) urges us to ask relevant
questions surrounding your existence in this time. This world is run on the
economical side of things and i am just curious to how you happened to blend in
to "our" way of living. The way i see it..is that
you MAY be a T.Traveller judging by your grasp on quantumn mechanics and your
vivid picture of the future but...... This world is run on the
basis of "guilty until proven innocent" Myself..i would like to believe
and your diagrams and schematics seem to confirm this. BUT there are skeptics
out there who might think your a looney as you have seen. I myself believe in
timetravel and as the theory goes.." if , at any point in history we will
be able to T.T , we are being visited by others right now , from the
future." If it makes no matter that
you are here telling us about your revolutionary new T.T device...what would
happen if we SUPPOSEDLY built a prototype ...as my argument would state about
the P3 and the 286..we would fast forward events in time.....36 years or so ,
with the development of a prototype c204 right NOW , using the skematics you
have given us.But as pamela said..."..dont any of you people have an
opinion?" I am not out to shatter
your reputation on this forumn.. but i just want simple answers. Thank you Dr Light IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 20
November 2000 17:16 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Dr. Light. (You sold your 67' when
you got here? how do you expect to get
back?!) The unit is portable
between vehicles. It is very heavy and requires a "stiff" suspension.
The unit is currently in a 4WD. (Also, how have you
overcome the problem of housing , food , job ,social security number , tax...or
perhaps you are not here for that long.) I am currently living with
my parents on this world line. They know exactly who I am and how I got here. (Also how did you get on
the net and have access to a scanner to reproduce your work on the net?) There are numerous ways to
do that. Any local printing shop allows you access to a computer system. (So many questions and
things to do in this time..yet you have the time to post your C204 manual on
the web.) What suggestions do you
have? (This world is run on the
economical side of things and i am just curious to how you happened to blend in
to "our" way of living.) You don't think you could
blend into 1970? What difficulties would you expect to have that couldn't be
overcome? BUT there are skeptics out
there who might think your a looney as you have seen.) I have nothing to sell nor
do I want anyone to believe in me or take some action. What other people think
of me does not affect me in the least. (If it makes no matter
that you are here telling us about your revolutionary new T.T device...what
would happen if we SUPPOSEDLY built a prototype ...as my argument would state
about the P3 and the 286..we would fast forward events in time.....36 years or
so , with the development of a prototype c204 right NOW , using the skematics
you have given us.But as pamela said..."..dont any of you people have an
opinion?") What you do on your world
line is your own business. I can't think of any better way to start a war than
for someone to figure out how to make a time machine. Go for it. (I am not out to shatter
your reputation on this forumn.. but i just want simple answers.) I will be happy to answer
"almost" any question you have. IP: Logged Time02112 Member posted 20 November
2000 23:07 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TT_0 I STRONGLY urge you to contact me
before you leave us! I must make contact with you before you go. [This message has been
edited by Time02112 (edited 20 November 2000).] IP: Logged -------------------- Got light? Make matter. pamela2@raex.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 985 | From: U.S.A |
Registered: Apr 2001 | IP: Logged
Pamela Moderator Member # 15 posted December 25, 2002 16:04 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Time-travel Paradoxes!
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Paradoxes! Dr Light unregistered posted 21
November 2000 01:10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So Mr_0 Perhaps you would like to
explain to me how your parents fully understand HOW you got here , since you
are a T.T, you showed them you c204 and they believed you totally? I do not know your age so
i am assuming that you would be over 40 years old. How would your parents
react to seeing you in 2000 as a 40 year old man? That would surley be enough
evidence to show you are a true time traveller... What exactly does the year
2000 have for you? If you say the year 2005
is the war where 3 billion people die..you only have 5 years left then you will
merely whisk off to 2036 with your IBM 5100 p.c,leaving our timeline in ruins
and you would only be away for a few seconds... What we do on our timeline
IS our own buisness ,but we would appreciate it if you do not jeopardize our
position here by giving someone the information/skematics to build a time
machine that you say would "start a war" So what your saying is
that the development of the C204 is the reason the "war" started? So why are you trying to
put us through your timeline and kill us too? Or are you trying to change
history here and hope it will work on the parallel worlds theory and turns out
well for you in the end? As Pamela said you have an
obligation to this world line. We may be in infintley spaced world lines but
that does not mean you should put us through your problems too. What if you never showed
up and gave us the skemtics? Are you trying to AVOID or START a war of massive
consequences? Your argument is taken
entirely out of context when i compare it to my previous argument about the P3
and the 286 processor "What we do is our
buisness" but you are here causing controversy and "hoping?"
perhaps someone does create the c204? So you are willing to
sacrafice billions of lives and hope that everything is fine and dandy when you
get back. If events DO change
here...they will change for you too. BUT... thats my OPINION. Remember just answers
please.. Thanking you, Dr P.Light (p.s pamela ,your opinion
please) IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 21
November 2000 10:29 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Light, There is a thin line
between question and accusation. I'm pretty sure TT-O DOES NOT check in here
seeking abuse or accusal. The reason this board is
here is to determine the the plausabiliy and possible usability of time travel.
If there is no such thing, or even the perception that there is no time travel
and no time travelers then we need to unplug this board and for all of us to
'go home'. The point is not is Mr.
TT-O for real but rather is what we THINK we are doing here for real. As TT-O says how we take
care of our own time line IS OUR BUSINESS. Doing so in stark ignorance can lead
to problems for those who put a priority on getting through the day alive. IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 21
November 2000 10:41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All of the questions asked
by Mr. Light have been answered in one way or another. I believe Pamela has
that information if she has not released it already. You assume I am here to
start a war? Consider this: You are a
time traveler who wishes to go back in time to 1941 because your grandparents
live close to Pearl Harbor in Hawaii. You realize you can’t stop the war but
you may be able to help them prepare for it. Strangely, December 7th comes and
goes with no sneak attack. As the war in Europe rages on, Japan fails to join
the axis power, there is no war in the Pacific and the United States remains
neutral. Then, you watch as Germany begins to develop the atomic bomb… all by
themselves. For a change, I have a
question for all of you. I want you to think…think very hard. What major
disaster was expected and prepared for in the last year and a half that never
happened? As far as war goes, I have
faith you are quite capable of starting one all by yourself. I am hard pressed
to accept any criticism on my outlook on that subject. Growing up might have
been a vastly different experience for me than it was for most of you. Personal
responsibility, determination, honor, friendship and self-reliance are not just
words we try to live up to or fantasize about. On my world line, life is not
easy. We live in a world recovering from years of war, poison, destruction and
hate. All of it, courtesy of the thinking and actions of people that live right
now in the same world you do, worrying about which stocks to buy or whether or
not a stranger is lying to them on the internet. I believe that hardship and
challenge develop character and community. My first experience with war came
when I joined a shotgun infantry unit at the age of thirteen. In the 4 years I
served as a “rebel”, I watched hundreds of people get shot, burn and bleed to
death. I know exactly where I was and every detail of the exact moment the
first nuclear warheads began falling on Jacksonville. I know the pain and
regret of not acting soon enough to enjoy a relationship as a loved one dies of
brain cancer from a war that gained nothing. How can you possibly
criticize me for any conflict that comes to you? I watch every day what you are
doing as a society. While you sit by and watch your Constitution being torn
away from you, you willfully eat poisoned food, buy manufactured products no
one needs and turn an uncaring eye away from millions of people suffering and
dying all around you. Is this the “Universal Law” you subscribe to? Perhaps I should let you
all in on a little secret. No one likes you in the future. This time period is
looked at as being full of lazy, self-centered, civicly ignorant sheep. Perhaps
you should be less concerned about me and more concerned about that. IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 21
November 2000 13:17 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Think, think, think, what
major disaster didn't happen last year. No y2k computer meltdown! Are you
intimating that your people fiddled with time and saved us from that one? If so
how could I complain other than to say that MY y2k preperations in themselves
have turned into a MAJOR PERSONAL disaster that continues to this day.
Ky-sur-sur-rah, ay? Reading your posts I get
conflicting ideas about what effect our timeline has on yours. Didn't you say
that "another you" was here now as a two year old child? Is the
'Everret Many Worlds' interpretation of quantum mechanics it the correct one
then? You seem to look at us as represenative of your ACTUAL predicessors.
There is something a bit unnerving about that. In fact the main reason why I
think you might be genuine is that I have trouble thinking LIKE you do. I would
expect this of an encounter with a "Chrono-alien". It seems to me that there
would be some effect from one parallel world to another. Therefore what you do
in this time line would have at least INDIRECT consequences in all future
lines. The idea of many time lines I can 'get', but infinite ones? Perhaps on
the parallel axis they just keep getting more different until they are seen as
completly different alien worlds. Is it possible to
communicate between times and parallel worlds without physically going to them?
Im getting a little sick of talking to myself...ha ha ..(.I think). So we are all lazy and
selfish around these times. Not exactly a news flash bud. Oh, did I leave out
ignorant too? Hey it fits the profile. The word you are looking for however is
POWERLESS. That is why we now, in general don't give a flying crap about what
goes on. There ain't nothing we can do about it aside getting out teeth kicked
in for tyring. Let me put it this way.
The wrong people got all the money......already. The rest of us are mostly
concentrating on not starving or freezing to death. What do you want anyway?
The disaster you have suffered in your time (and ours to come I suppose) got
its start long long before today. We were warned decades ago......yeah now I
see your point. IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 21
November 2000 13:37 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: TimeTravel_0 Refer to post
above.......forgot to stick your name on it again. IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 21
November 2000 13:47 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: TimeTravel_0 Has the mystery of UFO's
been solved by 2036? Crop circles? I figure it is all "paralell
worlder" stuff but is anything specific been determined? BTW The one way questioning
going on here is mosty because you already know lots more about us than we can
ever know about you. Let us know when you plan
to check out. IP: Logged Time02112 Member posted 21 November
2000 14:41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A.) Russia has
"ALWAYS" been considered the first Country, to be suspect of a
probable Nuclear Attack against the USA, and I, for one have NEVER relinquished
the thought that inevitably, this will happen while I remain alive to witness
this unfourtunate trajedy come to fruition. *Why have they been
stockpiling Nuclear arms purchased from their Diplomatic relations with China,
and protesting our "Star-Wars" defense systems during this plot? We never seen it comming? IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 21
November 2000 21:31 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There have been a great
many questions piling up that I do plan to get to. If anyone sees a question I
have answered before, please feel free to repeat the answer. I do not plan on leaving
this world line for a while yet. I very much enjoy spending time with my
family. IP: Logged Curious unregistered posted 21
November 2000 23:01 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To TT_0, How is it, that
in the future they can produce and contain an artificial singularity, by
complex computer systems, but can't reproduce a basic pc (IBM 5100). Or is it
easier to just "borrow" these items from an alternate time line? Or
did you use the lack of a computer system as an excuse to vist your family? Curious IP: Logged Dr Light unregistered posted 22
November 2000 12:57 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To T.T_0, So if we are a bunch of
sick lazy ignorant stupid etc etc's......what are YOU doing among us? Do you like our artificial
foods? Or is it the meaningless piles of "junk" we churn out year
after year? Perhaps it is the choked atmosphere? And we also turn an
"uncaring eye" away from the millions suffering too? Perhaps this time is just
like yours...... We still have war , hate
and all the above. Humph. I didnt know that
what we think is so technologically advanced and superior ( myself excluded)is
looked upon as ,for want of a better word, "Sh*t" I agree with Shadow. Can we help but to eat
these foods , drink this water? Survival is the key word here. But another question
arises.. Do you think i am accusing
you? I meerly went and posted a message about my opinions on the subject.I
happen to strongly believe in Time travel and i also believe YOU.They are only
QUESTIONS as i have stated Mr_0. I also dont think you are here to start a war,
of all things. if it was for my family, i would go though time too. Or else what would i be
doing here? As soon as anyone here on
this forumn starts talking in terms of "not believing you" you get
aggravated? I dont wish for that to be. These are questions , and
nothing more. Tell me if i have hit a soft spot. Im not trying to but it might
seem that way. Life here in 2000 is not
at all easy for us here too. A handfull of people run this timeline.... (Sigh) Regards, Dr. P.Light (P.S) There are a few
questions (not accustaions as you out them) i would like to ask about the
workings of the C204 unit before you leave us. I will post them up later. IP: Logged lllllllll unregistered posted 22
November 2000 14:32 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What Can we do to help you
here in this time line. Who is responcible for the disaster to come? Can you
tell us if the world has been unified under one single goverment in your time.
To you have the means to calculate interactions over the range of the universe
so that to enable which alterations need to be made at which points in the
present universe at given times in order recreate an optimal time period for
yourself when you return. Remeber this no matter what generation one goes to
their is alwas trechory for it is sin in the human race that enables such
degradation. What do you think about our time period? Have you tried any of our
fast food? What technologies were lost as a result of the war? Who won the war?
My favorite junk food is M&M's. What ebergy source did you use for your
traveling technique. Did you use acceleration or compression as a stabilizing
force. How did you overcome the temperal turbulence caused by the affects of
time dialation? Was topology a big part of it? Are you seeking to return to a
parallel dimension? In the present. Has anyone actually created a true
interdimensional device. Or has only parrellel frames past frames been abtained
within the worldline of the negative universe? What do you need to fix your
ship? Has your resurfacing in the past resulted in the creation of a parallel
entity as a result of the transfer of a phantom point of entity equivalence
across the intersimensional barrier resulting in the abstraction of an existant
entity out of the fractional entity less then zero. Have you figured a way to
counter this energy? IP: Logged Time02112 Member posted 22 November
2000 16:44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11/20/00 - Mon/Tue Guest: Dr. Eugene Mallove Dr. Mallove, Editor-in-Chief
and Publisher of Infinite Energy Magazine will discuss cold fusion and new energy technology. Dr.
Mallove holds a Master of Science Degree and Bachelor of Science Degree in Aeronautical and
Astronautical Engineering from MIT and a Science Doctorate in Environmental Health Sciences from
Harvard University. Book: Fire from Ice:
Searching for the Truth Behind the Cold Fusion Furor Website:
www.infinite-energy.com (Click on the Windows
media icon above, to listen to the pre-recorded broadcast.) I posted this elswhere,
however I wanted to ensure that TT_0 would review this, and post his comments
accordingly... IP: Logged pamela Member posted 22 November
2000 20:58 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pamela: 1.What exactly
would an observer see as they saw you arriving in this time? and exactly what
would they see as you departed? would you just appear suddenly or slowly? would
you look like a heat mirage for awhile? any light effects? or hazy
misty shimmering distortion? Time travel_0- The
observation of time travelers "appearing" suddenly in a world line do
not happen very often. There are two cases and two points of view to consider.
In the first case, the time machine does not move as it goes from one world
line to another and then returns. The people watching on the original world
linewould wave good bye and watch as the machine is turned on. There would be a static
discharge and the air would appear to "ripple" as if it were getting
denser. Then, it would stop and the machine will have appeared to have gone no
where. If the machine doesn't move its position from world line to world line,
the observer would not see it disappear at all. In the second case, if the machine
is moved, it would disappear from the viewpoint of the observer and return in a
different location based on where it was moved and turned on from the
destination world line. In that case, the rippling seems to dissolve the
machine and it disappears. If that happens while you are watching it leave and
you expect it to return, you know it was moved or had a serious malfunction. It
is actually quite dangerous to get too close to a distortion unit as it enters
or leaves a world line. It vents radiation and has a very strong localized
gravity field. Personally, I worry about that a great deal. Pamela:2.What is the
dimension of the field around the car? How many feet out from the car would you
say it goes? Timetravel_0-It can be
adjusted to some degree. The CG (center of gravity) is adjustable within about
4 feet and the unit is effective about 10 to 12 feet in either direction from
there. The vertical distance is quite a bit shorter and is determined by
sensors in the unit. Pamela:3.approximately in
inches how much of the ground is taken with you in one trip? timetravel_0-Depending on
weather or not you are going forward or backward, the footprint of the unit is
different. I wouldn't quite say it "scoops" up the ground cleanly. It
sort of vibrates it loose and takes it along for the ride. It looks like
someone raked the ground an inch or so deep with a small hand hoe or shovel.
The negative ergosphere "scoops" up the front and back areas of the
field. The positive ergosphere leaves a longer area near the center of mass.
Its about a cubic foot of dirt spread out over six square feet or so. Pamela:4.If they put the
device in a house and turned it on what do you think would happen? Timetravel_0-It might not
be as destructive as you think. Depending on how close any object is to the
field, it might not do any damage at all except for the floor. Pamela:5.what would happen
to a bird or small animal that ran across the field right when it was producing
the field to travel? Timetravel_0-It would be
quickly spread out over the lateral length of the gravity field. Imagine being
squished and stretched at the same time. I would imagine anything left after
that would be vaporized and generate static electricity. Pamela:6.how hot would you
say the temperature gets on the outside of the car while in operation? Timetravel_0-Very! hot.
Depending on the power setting, 100 to 120 degrees is average. Pamela:7.is the car in
drive mode when the device is activated or is it totally turned off? Timetravel_0-The car is
off and the brake on. Pamela: 8.has the device
been tested on ships and airplanes? Timetravel_0-Not that I'm
aware of. Its important that it remain as still as possible so the gravity
sensors can get a good lock. The divergence confidence would be way off if the
vehicle was moving. Pamela:9.do you wear
special uniforms when you time travel? what do they look like and does your group
have a timetravel emblem or group name? Timetravel_0-I wear a
standard civilian service uniform during instruction and training. Its sort of a cross
between an army uniform and overalls. We do have a quarter master who
distributes clothing appropriate to where ever we are going. There
is a patch. It is round and has a graphic of a Kerr singularity (sort of
looks like an eye with gravity waves around it) with two spiral paths
running through it's center. One path represents the "safe" way and
the other is the path to God. The bottom of the patch has my unit number along with
"Temporal Recon" printed on it. However, we remove any identification and
patches before we go anywhere. Pamela:10.Can you tell us
what you know about the famous Philadelphia experiment? timetravel_0-I am aware of
the basic story but I don't have any other information to prove or disprove it. Pamela:11. How long do we
have to talk to you before you leave? timetravel_0-I'll be
around for a while yet. IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 22
November 2000 22:13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leader of a troup of time
traveling Irish Army ants: Corporal_O'Kerrants. If you see him It ain't 'em, but
"EM" IP: Logged TimeMaster 1a Member posted 23 November
2000 06:10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TimeTravel_0: I have been looking over
your time displacement unit and find it interesting. This is a list of the
basic components as I see it. 1. Singularity drive
houseing. 2. Singularity magnetic
field coil. 3. Magnetic field
generator / regulator. 4. Electron mass injection
manifold. 5. Electron regulator. 6. Electron condenser. 7. Singularity ??? senser. 8. Singularity cooling
housing. 9. Singularity cooling
pump. 10. Singularity cooling
supply. 11. Gravity senser unit. 12. Battery supply. Can you verify these
components? What type of senser is
number seven? Why are the four atomic
clocks not shown? IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 25
November 2000 09:10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Can you verify these
components?) That looks correct. I must
apologize for the poor quality of the information. There's a running inside
joke about the technical issues. If the unit has a serious problem its not as
if anyone can use those drawings to take the electron manifold off the
singularity housing with a flat head screw driver. (What type of senser is
number seven?) That sensor detects
various parameters from the singularity. (Why are the four atomic
clocks not shown?) There is another page that
depicts the computer and clock systems. That technology is not new and not very
interesting. There is a cut-a-way
drawing of the entire unit that I will probably post before I leave. I'll send
it to Pamalea. IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 25
November 2000 13:57 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Shadow: UFOs are as much as a
mystery to me as they are to you. Would you be surprised to know that there are
a great many people who don’t believe in time travel on my world line? I do believe UFOs are a
real mystery but I also know that chaos theory dictates that no matter what
technology or knowledge we have, there are always unknowns. IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 25
November 2000 13:59 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Curious On my world line, it is
known that the 5100 series is capable of reading all the IBM code written
before the widespread use of APL and Basic. Unfortunately, there are none left
that anyone can find on my world line. IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 25
November 2000 14:01 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Dr. P.Light It is quite difficult to
get used to some of the communication patterns I have come across here.
Confusing conversational conflict for anger seems to be a common and typical
problem. Why does the expression of differing emotion seem to threaten so many
people? I do not feel accused nor was I trying to accuse anyone. Your opinions
are as valid as anyone’s and I do not suggest you change them because of
anything I say. I never said I was here to start a war although I have strong
opinions about what a war would do for you. I am not aggravated by words. Imagine you are Jewish and
you are able to travel back in time to Germany in 1935. All around you are the
patterns of thinking and action that will lead to a great deal of harm, death
and destruction in just a few years. You have the advantage of knowing what
will come but no one will listen to you. In fact, they think you’re insane and
the situations you describe could never happen. What I feel is not anger,
it is sadness that you can not see what I see. IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 25
November 2000 14:03 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: IIIIIIIIII I appreciate your offer
for help but I am quite alright. The responsibility for the “disaster” is your
own but I do not consider it a disaster. Rebirth is often painful. My world
line is not unified under a single government but I would say it is closer to a
unified purpose. Isn’t that what you want anyway? No, I do not have the ability
to make calculations that would effect world lines to my advantage. Besides the
fact that manipulating people for personal gain is wrong, I am of the belief
that it is best to make the world line you are on now better. I like the incredible
freedom you have on this world line but I see it as a trap and I fear the cost
is the loss of your sense of connection with family and community. Yes, you can
self actualize your ambitions but at what cost to the people around you…or yet
to be born? The incredible availability of art, literature and limitless
resources is hardly taken advantage of as I imagine the number of people
sitting in front of their TVs. No, I have not tried any fast
food. Thinking about where the food came from, how it was shipped and treated
absolutely terrifies me. I have tried to tell people about CJD disease and it
seems to be “catching on” in Europe. Technologies themselves
are not lost but some of the older tools and techniques have been lost. I think
there is more detailed information about the war posted earlier. The energy
stored in the singularity is used to create the distortion fields. That energy
is created in a particle accelerator. I’m not sure what you mean by “temporal
turbulence”. What effect would that have that would need to be overcome? When I leave, I will
return to 2036. The computer I have is expected there. I am unaware of any
“true” interdimensional device available on this world line now. I would image
the effects of such a device would be hard to hide. My “ship” is not broken. I
am here by choice. Don’t you find current events interesting? Again, I’m not
sure I understand your last question. Perhaps we should agree to the
definitions of a few terms and basic physics before I try to answer that. IP: Logged Time02112 Member posted 25 November
2000 17:08 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am unaware of any “true”
interdimensional device available on this world line now. I would image the
effects of such a device would be hard to hide. TT_0 I recommend that you
read the following archived posts. Although there are some interesting
information about "Existing" portals that traverse the Space-Time
continuumn, Time~Travel capability is just one ability that these devices are
capable of, and the most interesting factor resides with the fact that they may
even pre-date mankinds own history? (perhaps.) http://www.xone.net/tti/board/ubbhtml/Forum1/HTML/000308.html
"Utilizing The
Earth's Energy Grid To Navigate Time Vortex's." ------------------------ http://www.xone.net/tti/board/ubbhtml/Forum1/HTML/000345.html
"Time Port Area in
Marfa Texas." ------------------------------------ http://www.xone.net/tti/board/ubbhtml/Forum1/HTML/000339.html
"History of Uknown
Origins & New Beginnings." -------------------------------------------- http://www.xone.net/tti/board/ubbhtml/Forum1/HTML/000045.html
"Stargate in the
Andes." -------------------------- Questions, Comments,
Concerns? I would like your comments
of this TT_O IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 25
November 2000 17:44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- to TT_0 and the currious The fact that better
equipment is supposed to get the reverse-time traveler closer to their actual
past indicates that there is an ACTUAL SPECIFIC past that he is aiming for. So
if in practical application the traveler ends up 2% divergent upon arrival in
the past and if he stays in that line he finds that it is not a line at all,
but that going forward, divergence approches infinity. If this is so, the only
way to get back to ones' original future is to have left some kind of specified
object or condition there as a marker. Reverse time divergence is an artifact
of the machine you use and not a built in natural law of physics. In this idea the past is
exactly behind you and the future is always and litterally "right around
the corner", It also suggests that the self is fractionalized over several
to many parallel time lines eventhough we may only *realize* one line at once.
Organic psyche may be what LIMITS divergence (of time lines). Also if this
theory is correct we may be 2% divergent from TT_0 but going forward in this
time line he is 98% divergent from us. My logic is pretty good here, how's my
facts? BTW Someone just gave me a
working IBM 5160. Should I save it or toss it? IP: Logged pamela Member posted 26 November
2000 16:32 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To the reader: feel
fortunate you are reading this I had a hard time posting it hopefully it will
appear this time. More questions from me to Timetravel_0 and his answers. (can you tell us which of
our foods are poison and why?)(What can we do to prepare ourselves for the
coming war.) I tried to consolidate
your questions into a basic list. I hope this helps. 1. Do not eat or use
products from any animal that is fed and eats parts of its own dead. 2. Do not kiss or have
intimate relations with anyone you do not know. 3. Learn basic sanitation
and water purification. 4. Be comfortable around
firearms. Learn to shoot and clean a gun. 5. Get a good first aid
kit and learn to use it. 6. Find 5 people within
100 miles that you trust with your life and stay in contact with them. 7. Get a copy of the US
Constitution and read it. 8. Eat less. 9. Get a bicycle and two
sets of spare tires. Ride it 10 miles a week. 10. Consider what you
would bring with you if you had to leave your home in 10 min. and never return. (Can you tell us exactly
what event started the war? Is there any way we can stop it?) The war is a result of
faulty politics and desparation from Western leadership during the US
civil war. Yes, I suppose you could stop it. (Are some states or
countries safer than others?) Take a close look at the
county by county voting map from the last elections. (Did they use biological
and chemical weopons in the war besides nukes? Did they use mind control
weopons?) Yes there were bio and
chem weapons used. No mind control weapons but there are new
"non-leathal" weapon systems that turn out to be quite leathal. ( Have you discovered the
cure for cancer or aids yet?) Aids...no. Cancer...some
progress. (If our leaders of this
world line were reading this posting and beleive who you say you
are........what would you say to them right now?) Revel in your confidence
today because you will not win tomorrow. (What is the main message
you want to convey to us at this time?) Please, please wake up.
Look at the sign posts around you now. (Can you explain this
further when you talked of your patch and the two spirals one was the
"safe" way and one was the way to God. Can you expound on that I didnt quite
understand it.) The safe way is the one
calculated to take you in time where you want to go, the other path will take
you to God (death). Both are equally accepted and anticipated before each
trip. [This message has been
edited by pamela (edited 26 November 2000).] IP: Logged Fast Member posted 26 November
2000 17:51 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ive been gone for 4 days
and i get back and TT0 is leaving and there are people in doubt over his
story?? I have been reading that
around 2011 there is some new world order-type government in place...TT0,can u
verify? Also,a while back(page 2
of the posts) you said something was wrong with UNIX in your time...what is
wrong? Fast Out IP: Logged Fast Member posted 26 November
2000 18:01 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "--Perhaps I should
let you all in on a little secret. No one likes you in the future. This time
period is looked at as being full of lazy, self-centered, civicly ignorant
sheep. Perhaps you should be less concerned about me and more concerned about
that. " who's to say that in your
own time-line's future,your not considered barbaric and immature in your own
arrogance with the notion that 'yes we survived...we can handle another
war...now lets use the technology that STARTED the bloody war and go back into
someone else's time-line and start a war there too...perhaps then we will have
parallel companions with the same motives?' War is the darkest of all
Arts.The Age which follows includes those who practice another of the
darkest:arrogance. Fast Out IP: Logged Dr. Light unregistered posted 27
November 2000 01:37 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: T-T-0 Just a quick question
before i jet, Does the events happening
in the Middle east concerning the Arabs and Jews have anything to do with the
coming war? I mean to say that since the jewish population seems to have quite
considerable power now in 2000, would they mount a force against other
countries or am i under the beief that the war will result from the U.S
government election?(among other things). On another previous note, You must understand that
we cannot just willingly give in our skeptisism just because a person comes
onto a bulliten board and announces that he/she is from 2036? Tell me T-T_0, when you
first typed a message here announcing your arrival...did anyone believe you? We
have had proven "false" time traelers here before as you may have
heard. ut your considerable grasp of quantumn physics and distortion fields
seems to justify you. Seems like your the ..."real
deal" P.S--I KNEW that particle
acceleraton technology would be part of time travel!!! Makes sense doesnt it! P.P.S-- Singularity
cooling pump? What do you cool the
singularity with? IP: Logged Dr .P Light unregistered posted 27
November 2000 04:01 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To TT-0 Just an afterthought i
forgot to add to my previous post.. How much more advanced are
the computer hardware and software systems in the future? Are we looking at 110Ghtz
computers with stamped silicon system technology as opposed to 200 million
microtransistor configurations? Or do we have the usual
"crawling along with hardware advances every 6 months?" Please feel free to go
into details. Dr P.Light IP: Logged Time02112 Member posted 27 November
2000 16:03 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pamela Member posted 08 April
2000 18:23 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is interesting:
http://www.damanhur.org/time/html/kindred_spirit_s_article.htm click on "interview
with a timetraveller." "tales of the
unexpected" is his recall of his travels. -------------------------- Do you remember this one
Pamela? http://tectime.cjb.net [This message has been
edited by Time02112 (edited 27 November 2000).] IP: Logged IIIIIIIIII unregistered posted 27
November 2000 22:57 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Time0, if one found a method to
pryapart a magnetic field would this result in a containable release of energy.
Would the energy channeled through the tear be in the form of a tachyon field
with the forward edge of the tachyon field at a velocity of light. Would the
internal tachyons within the tachyon field have a velocity greater then light
even though existing in the present subluminal time frame? inquisitively. IP: Logged Time02112 Member posted 28 November
2000 01:29 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TT_0 What can you tell us about
"Space Time
Transposing" ? IP: Logged Time02112 Member posted 28 November
2000 01:51 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originaly posted from the
coast to coast forum by: Alan Troidl
http://post.coasttocoastam.com/showthread.php?threadid=355 -------------------------------------- Time travel has been
taking place for thousands of years. The foremost device used
was the pyramids around the world used by ancient
civilizations. This was for time travel and not so much as a burial site as
commonly believed. The physics behind this is the sacred geometrics of the
pyramid shape. The geometric shape of the
pyramid allows for the concentration of "White Light" as well as
"Dark Light". The dark light was
conduited from the area in the pyramid know as the "well" which no
one could understand its use as it is a hole that suddenly stops with no
apparent purpose or use. Above the King's Chamber
are huge layered stomes with air spaces. One side shiny and smooth and the
other side dark and rough. This is a capacitance machine for the separate collection of the 2 light
sources. These 2 light sources, one
coming from the earth and the white light from the cosmos above criss crossed
but did not intersect each other at the point of the sarcophagus. This
technology allowed for time travel and the opening of the "third
eye". As well, the design of 2
pyramids intersecting base to base to give you the design of
the 6 point star, (or the star of david), is the sacred symbol and geometry to
enter into zero point time or Christ Consciousness. There are modern day
devices that impliment these principals for time travel. By having your own brain
operating at the same harmonic frequency as obtained through man made devices,
can give you the same ability to do
conscious time travel. IP: Logged Time02112 Member posted 28 November
2000 02:01 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is a fortelling of a
significant Time Divergence that is believed to occur during the year 2012
according to the ancient Mayans, yet you claim to be from 2034, and posses a
working Time Travel device... What can you tell us would
happen to you, or anyone els who were to use your device, or another one
similar in capabilities to travel to the yr. 2012???----------- (also I would like you to
tell us what you know, or have been told what takes place in "2112") incidently, since it is
common knowledge that many events within our cosmos are cyclical, interesting
enough the "Photon Belt" returns to our solar system every 26,000
yrs. and in the given Time frame since it's last presence in our solar system,
that would place it's peak convergence upon us again at 2012 coincidence? [This message has been
edited by Time02112 (edited 28 November 2000).] IP: Logged Time02112 Member posted 29 November
2000 02:22 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TT_0 so many questions,
yet you seem to have more "Time" than most to address them, so while
I await your replies to my other posts, here goes another.... I'ts no big secret among
thos who are "In the Know" of our current worldline's attempts to
control the weather i.e. HAARP & Chemtrails, so What can you tell us about
the future of weather control such as the following... bronze flying globes that
float in the air over the earth, and are aligned in grid formations, and lasers
joining them together in the air, churning out snow storms, rain, or whatever
else they decide to induce,to be created in the given space provided??? ------BTW; I traveled to
the past, and grabbed an earlier comment you posted. Does anyone remember this
one? ------------------------------ TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 02
November 2000 01:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I saw the posting
requsting the basic systems for a gravity distortion system that will allow
time travel. Here they are: 1. Magnetic housing units
for dual microsignularities. 2. Electron injection
manifold to alter mass and gravity of microsingularities. 3. Cooling and x-ray
venting system 4. Gravity sensors (VGL
system) 5. Main clocks (4 cesium
units) 6. Main computer units (3) [This message has been
edited by Time02112 (edited 29 November 2000).] IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 29
November 2000 09:29 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hate to sound sarcastic
but didn't you some what gloss over the most critical piece of time-travel
equipment? I don't see the $10,000,000+ dollars listed anywhere, that it would
take to buy and fabricate all that other stuff. IP: Logged pamela Member posted 30 November
2000 19:43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- time 02112: this web site from Nov. 1,
2000 at 10:00pm till Nov. 30, 2000 at
7:38pm has been accessed: 4026
times. I was curious how many
hits it got in about a month. well there it is... heheheh if it continues it will be
well over 48,312 a year. I thought it was
interesting. there seems to be a lot of people interested in time travel but
few post. -pamela [This message has been
edited by pamela (edited 30 November 2000).] IP: Logged rgrunt@yahoo.com unregistered posted 01
December 2000 14:09 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Perhaps it is better to
understand if one understands that all fractional entities less then one is
equal to zero spacially and less then zero temperally when measuring the
temperal fractional entity in terms of spacial fractional entity known as a
plancs length. Of course I could be misinterpriting the definition of a plancs
length. Please feel free to correct me if I am incorrect in assuming that what
I have gathered as the definition of a temperal zero, and a spacial zero; and
the plancs temperal length, and a plancs spacial length as being the same
conscept: is wrong. Otherwise the ofore mentioned point of view ought to be
considered. (If there is any confusion as to what I am talking about please
have a look see under rgrunts time travel posting in order to aquire the basic
train of thought behind the above mentioned statement.) IP: Logged pamela Member posted 01 December
2000 23:04 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- timetravel_0 said he would
be back he is just a little busy right now. patience is a virtue. time
takes... time. -pamela --------------------------------------------- [This message has been
edited by Time02112 (edited 02 December 2000).] IP: Logged rgrunt@yahoo.com unregistered posted 04
December 2000 15:36 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the knowlege
Pamela. I really think that the design or basic model that Time-o gave sounds
legit but I think that if he could replace the particle accelerator with a an
electromagnetic device that uses only one kind of particle-a magnetic photon-
that the energy would be much more stable and easier to control. I also believe
that such a replacement would require much less accuracy and would be at the
minimum as efficient if not more efficient then the energy production that he
is intent on using. A gravity generator would also be just as affective in
extracting the necessary energy required to power the device. This will require
alot more effort such as discovering how to make a gravitational generator. sincerely, Edwin G. Schasteen IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 06
December 2000 21:36 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (What is the popular music
like?) Most of the same music you
enjoy is available on archive. However the days of mega-stars playing multiple
track studio produced music and lip synching on a huge stage are pretty much
isolated to your time period. Like everything else, music is much less
centralized. The general trend is away from “computer generated” music and more
toward real people playing real instruments. Music is much more of a personal
experience. More people know how to read music and play together in small
groups. (Are there any social
prejudices) Yes there are. However, as
odd as it may sound, it serves a useful purpose in my time. First, you must
realize that your experiences with “prejudice” and mine are different. I would
characterize the intolerance you have here as a result of ignorance and fear. I
have observed that people with unfounded and irrational fears about their
fellow man in this time have the luxury of not having their beliefs tested. After the war, much of the
prejudice you have now was swept away by simple necessity. People had to work
and fight together just to survive. This has a way of opening a person’s eyes
as to the value of fellow human beings. What difference does the
color of a man’s skin make when you are both fighting against the same enemy to
survive or find water or grow food? On my world line, if a man doesn’t pull his
weight in the community, then we feel prejudice towards him as a burden to us.
This feeling of shame he experiences then makes him realize his
responsibilities. (What is the health care
system like) You would probably not
like it at all. I would compare it to what you see in Western movies. We do
have hospitals but there are more family doctors and house calls as compared to
what you are used to. There is no real organized health care. If you get a
serious disease, you die. This however has had a tendency to strengthen the
general genetic pool. Doctors are more concerned about things like broken legs,
snake bites and delivering healthy babies. (What is the entertainment
industry like, movies, tv, radio, internet?) Again, entertainment is
less centralized. There are “movies” and “tv” but everything is distributed
over the net and more people produce their own “shows”. (How difficult is it for
someone to start from nothing and get a job and make a living for themselves?) Very easy. If you can work
with your hands and get along with other people, you will always find work. (If a group of people were
to travel forward in time to avoid a situation, would they be still be able to
live in relative peace? Or would they be looked down on for that? Should they
just keep that a secret to make things easier?) From a physical standpoint,
I suppose that would work if you were trying to escape a natural disaster. But
you must consider that trying to “escape” by time traveling has it’s own
problems. I’m not exactly sure what you mean by being looked down on. (I have been reading that
around 2011 there is some new world order-type government in place...TT0,can u
verify?) On my world line in 2011,
the United States is in the middle of a civil war that has dramatic effects on
most of the other Western governments. (Also,a while back(page 2
of the posts) you said something was wrong with UNIX in your time...what is
wrong?) Yes…and with your’s too. I
have to believe there must be a UNIX expert out there someplace that can
confirm that. I’m not exactly sure what the technical issue is but I believe
some sort of UNIX system registry stops in 2038. (Does the events happening
in the Middle east concerning the Arabs and Jews have anything to do with the
coming war? ) Yes. (I mean to say that since
the jewish population seems to have quite considerable power now in 2000…) I’m not sure what power
you are referring to. (Tell me T-T_0, when you
first typed a message here announcing your arrival...did anyone believe you?) I don’t know if anyone
believes me now. But you must realize that I don’t expect anyone to believe me
or does it affect me one way or the other. I enjoy these conversations too.
What would you expect a time traveler to say or do in your time? (What do you cool the
singularity with?) Very highly technical,
cooling stuff. [sorry, I don’t get much of a chance to be a wise guy ] (How much more advanced
are the computer hardware and software systems in the future? ) Good question! I would say
the biggest difference is in the reliability of the hardware and software. It
absolutely amazes me how willing people are here to accept computer and
software failures on such a regular basis. I was very surprised to see how
prolific it is. You can look forward to very stringent manufacturing parameters
and programming discipline. Think back to the early days of the computer and
how much work and cleverness it took to fit those programs into such small
areas of memory. Has more and cheaper memory brought better programs or just
more programs? As far as technical
specifics, I’m afraid I can not go into too much detail. However, I will tell
you that processor speed and memory size take dramatic leaps forward. (if one found a method to
pryapart a magnetic field would this result in a containable release of energy.
Would the energy channeled through the tear be in the form of a tachyon field
with the forward edge of the tachyon field at a velocity of light. Would the
internal tachyons within the tachyon field have a velocity greater then light
even though existing in the present subluminal time frame? inquisitively.) Hmmm… I afraid my notebook
on Maxwell’s equations isn’t with me and I must say again that I am not a
physist. As far as tachyons goes, it’s my understanding that they can not exist
at all unless they are created and “traveling” faster than light. As far as
time travel goes, I’m afraid tachyons are mearly useful for describing various
quirky effects of strange matter. Time 02112 has asked me
some questions that I must give further thought to. I will post again as soon
as I get a chance. IP: Logged pamela Member posted 08 December
2000 01:08 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Timetraveler_0- I thought people might be
interested in seeing the drawing of the patch you sent me that you wear on your
uniform. minus the unit number and the name TEMPORAL RECON. I know you said you didnt
care if i posted it or not. for anyone who would like to see it Doc has posted
it on his site here: http://pub2.ezboard.com/bmagisystems
then click on
"timelords anonymous" and it is after your other
pictures on the "anonymous
gravity/time device pictures" I tried to do a direct
link but it didnt work. sincerely, pamela IP: Logged -------------------- Got light? Make matter. pamela2@raex.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 985 | From: U.S.A |
Registered: Apr 2001 | IP: Logged
Pamela Moderator Member # 15 posted December 25, 2002 16:06 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Time-travel Paradoxes!
(Page 4) Author Topic: Time-travel
Paradoxes! Time02112 Member posted 09 December
2000 15:37 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...and another one,
(Cleaned & Enlarged) version here:>
http://www.egroups.com/files/tapten/TAP-TEN/TT_0/T-T+Insignia.jpg IP: Logged Roby unregistered posted 10
December 2000 12:07 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was just wondering who
won the Super Bowl in the year 2001? IP: Logged Tiger Cohen Junior Member posted 10
December 2000 09:24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello TT_O! I have read some of the
concourse up to the end of this topic’s dialogue. I find your answers to
questions posed, quite … um, shall we say … creative. To say the least you are
a very imaginative person. I am not here debunking
your travels or to discount your stated technology, but I do have just one
question. 1. If your machine is
capable of traveling back through time from future earth to now, I wonder how your
vehicle landed on this earth at all? You obviously know that this earth and
your earth do not occupy the same quadrant of space. Our earth is rotating
along it’s axis at 1600kph and moving on an elliptical orbit around a sun in a
solar system which itself is circling and expanding the galactic center of our
galaxy which is itself ever-expanding outward. In truth your machine should
(but doesn’t) also have some kind of ‘warp’ capability incorporated in it in
order to go back in space to the point where we are now. It’s a wonder that
your vehicle didn’t end up in deep space or caught in the gravity well of some
other stellar mass. You would also need a life support system to sustain you
until you were within earth’s atmosphere. Oh, I know that you may claim
to have access to galactic stellar cartography from this period of space and
time, but how would you account for the earth’s rotational speed as well as the
moon’s gravitation effect and lastly the avoidance of man made structures which
are not totally mapped even by our geosynchronus comsats of this day? I’m not worried about
pieces of dirt within your temporal field or even the odd stray cat being
dispersed by your resulting static electricity, but I am curious as to how you
overcome all of these obstacles from the contoured seat of what you claim is just
a time machine? Pamela seemed concerned
with the ‘go nowhere ripple effect’ that might occur when a time machine left
and then returned, but I find even that logic flawed. I maintain that a time
machine would imprint itself spatially upon a certain time period. Einstein’s
Theory of Relativity would dictate that even if you left in such a machine for
two minutes, this time would continue to advance and this world would still
move through space and rotate. Therefore a time machine would NOT appear to stand
still but rather would (depending upon the time interval) appear to suddenly
defy gravity as it disappeared and then, free of the gravitational momentum,
would reappear in near or far space. If you think my logic is faulty, then try
jumping high in the air from the back of a flatbed truck while it moves along
at freeway speeds. IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 10
December 2000 11:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I will try to answer all
of your questions however, I have noticed that there seems to be a difficulty
in entering a conversation in the middle. Most of the following questions I
have answered at length in previous posts. I understand how important it is to
have these answers when new people read portions of the posting but I find it
tiring to keep repeating myself. Any suggestions would be appreciated. (I was just wondering who
won the Super Bowl in the year 2001?) I do not answer questions
like this. Although I don’t really know the motivation for the question…I can
guess. If a time traveler had knowledge of your future, and you could only ask
one question, would this be it? Besides, can you tell me if it rained in New
York on June 4th 1932? You are from their future so should you know that? (I have read some of the
concourse up to the end of this topic’s dialogue…. 1. If your machine is
capable of traveling back through time from future earth to now, I wonder how
your vehicle landed on this earth at all? You obviously know that this earth
and your earth do not occupy the same quadrant of space…. You would also need a
life support system to sustain you until you were within earth’s atmosphere…
and lastly the avoidance of man made structures…) This is actually a very
good question that parts and pieces of the answer are scattered around in
previous postings. I am often surprised that it is not the first one asked. You
are correct, this problem is actually the most difficult part of time travel.
Although some of your assumptions about matter displacement are a bit off, the
problem is real. Inside the displacement unit are a series of very sensitive
clocks and gravity sensors. This system is called the VGL (variable gravity
lock). In simple terms, before the unit “leaves” a world line, it takes a base
reading of the local gravity and adjusts the Tipler sinusoid to “lock” into
that position. Although the tmporal physics of this statment are wrong, in
effect, it holds you to the “Earth”. During travel, it periodically checks to
see that the field has not varied. If it does, it stops and reverses course or
drops out at that point. Buildings and other terrain features are avoided in
the same way. Yes, we do bring oxygen in the vehicle with us but we do not lose
atmospheric pressure. (Pamela seemed concerned
with the ‘go nowhere ripple effect’ that might occur when a time machine left
and then returned, but I find even that logic flawed. I maintain that a time
machine would imprint itself spatially upon a certain time period.) I’m not sure what you mean
by imprint? (Einstein’s Theory of
Relativity would dictate that even if you left in such a machine for two
minutes, this time would continue to advance and this world would still move
through space and rotate.) Yes that is correct. (Therefore a time machine
would NOT appear to stand still but rather would (depending upon the time
interval) appear to suddenly defy gravity as it disappeared and then, free of
the gravitational momentum, would reappear in near or far space.) Please see VGL system
above. Also, please be aware that from the viewpoint of the time traveler, the
displacement unit actually left and then returned. The viewer does not
experience this. Think of it as a Gosub statement in a computer program. IP: Logged pamela Member posted 10 December
2000 11:32 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- from an e-mail to
timetraveler_0 and his answers. (TTO-If any of this is different from what you
sent me please let me know.this is copied and pasted.) >1. what type of money
system do you have on your world line? meaning how do you buy and sell
things? Do you have the same type of money or do we have a cashless society? such
as smart cards, credit cards or ID biochips. Its not very different
than it is now. Yes, we have money and credit cards. However, like everything
else, the monetary system is decentralized. Banking is based mostly
around the community structure. There are no multinational banking or
computerized economic systems. There are also no income taxes. >2. do you still use
radio transponders to ID your cattle and other farm animals? Some of the larger farm
communities use electronic markers and fences. I am not a farmer so I don't
have very many details about that. >3.Is the Global
Positioning Satellite system still in place around the Earth? Oh yes! In fact, the unit
I have with me works here. I'm not sure why that surprises me. There are
also a great many communications and internet satellite systems. >4.Do you still have
the American Flag as your flag? does it look different or is there a new flag? Yes, we still have the
flag. There is a debate about changing it from 50 stars to 5. >5.Is there some states
or areas that have new names ? is there a NewDenver, Kansas by any chance? Not that I can think of...
No major cities anyway. I am aware that some smaller towns changed
their names after the war and most universities have the word "fort"
before them on my world line. >6. How many weeks of
training is required before you timetravel? to what extent does the training
involve? Are you able to make basic emergency repairs to the unit? I started training on the
recommendation of my PS officer when I got out of school in 34. I graduated
in March of 35. Actual hands on training started soon after that and I left
2036 in April. No, there are not very many repairs I can make to the
unit. The unit is built very well but the tolerances are very small.
I could probably repair the electrical systems and it will accept inputs
from older computers. >7.Are you able to fish
or are the waters polluted from fallout from the war? Yes, we can fish. There
are some areas that are still too dangerous to spend a lot of time in so
we can't fish in those areas. >8.Are you aware of any
time travelers from our time or other world lines that have entered your
world line? Have you spoke to any of them? No I am not aware. But I
accept the possibility. >9.What type of public
transportation is used to get around in your cities? A high speed train system
connects the larger cities. Roads are still used for cars and many people
ride horses and bikes. >10. What things do you
think you will take back with you from this time? Books! I'm also taking
copies of family photos that were lost during the war. >11. How many weeks
have you been in this world line? when did you arrive? That I must keep to myself
right now. >12. What kind of books
do you like to read? What kind of music do you like? do you play a
musical instrument? I read a great deal of
history. I like piano classics and some older rock and roll. (why did that
type of music go so far down hill?) No, I don't play any instruments myself. >13.Are you concerned
about our government investigating you or trying to seize you or your device? Not really. In order to
find me, they would have to believe time travel is possible. >14. are you
videotaping or taking pictures of the events going on here to bring back with you to
your time? Oh yes. >15. what is your
favorite food to eat? here and in your world line. Its very hard for me to
find food here. It all scares the Hell out of me. I've found a couple of
local farms where I am resonably sure the raw food is safe and my mother started
a garden for me. >16.does the cure for
cancer have any thing to do with genetics? Again...I'm no expert. I
believe there is a great deal of progress in treating the cancer cells
with modified viruses. So I guess the answer is yes. >17.Do you have an
increase in tornados and earthquakes than what we have now? is the average
temperature in Florida in your time about the same as it is here? or is it
different? That's one area I've
decided not to talk about...sorry. The average temperature worldwide is a
bit cooler. >18. are any of the
other 7 time travelers with you in this world line or are you by yourself? No. They are off doing
something else I'm sure. >19. are there time
travel web sites in the future? does this one still exist? Time travel is a major
point of social discussion. I'll have to check when I get back. Most of the
larger servers that were in the major cities were lost or destroyed. I'll
try to bring a copy back with me. Perhaps you can check that in your 2036. >20.do you feel any
connection at all to your other 2 year old self on this world line? does it seem
like you or someone totally different? who does he think you are when you
talk to him? He calls me uncle. Yes,
there is a connection. He fells like a younger brother. Sometimes I get
mixed emotions watching him and realize I'm watching the origins of my
personality. I tend to playfully criticize my father about that. IP: Logged djayr42 Member posted 10 December
2000 13:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Time Travel_0, some more
questions for you. What is the education system like? For children? For adults?
Is there more home schooling then there is now. What are the class sizes like?
Is there any emphasis on a subject or subjects that are don't exsist now? IP: Logged rgrunt unregistered posted 10
December 2000 13:10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are you going to take your
family away with you to protect them from the coming events. Is this a
temptation for you? Aren't you worried about somebody finding your ship? IP: Logged pamela Member posted 11 December
2000 12:58 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reflecting upon the words
timetravler_0 has shared with me personally and what I have posted of some of
our conversations and watching the news everyday seeing what is happening now
in Florida and the courts has made me think deeply upon the United States and
the US constitution. What the US was founded on origionally. I found a web site that
has the US constitution and the bill of rights here: http://www.nara.gov/exhall/charters/charters.html
for anybody interested in
reading it. I printed out the whole
constitution including the bill of rights and then sat down and read the whole
thing out loud to myself thinking deeply on the rights our founding fathers
were trying to protect. For those of you U.S. citizens
who cant remember the constitution beyond the words, "we the people."
its probably time to take another look. You never know what the
future will be like. or how it will change. The future is up to
us..... At the beginning of the
constitution the first three words "WE THE PEOPLE.." was written in
large letters on purpose. sincerely, pamela IP: Logged Dr Light unregistered posted 11
December 2000 05:27 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TT-O, Could you elaborate on my
previous questions.. I.E How and why do the
arabs/jews become entangled in the civil war of the U.S.A? Also, about my previous
question.. If you would look around you may notice that jewish poeple seem to
hold "considerable" power concering major political positions both in
America and Israel. For instance the latest technology concerning
"defensive" technology which you might think is
reserved only for the superpowers, somehow made its way into Israel's hands... My point is that they seem
to be an "underhand" world power that no-one seems to recognise,(or
so it seems) Also about the Arab side
of affairs, they seem to be holding Biological weapons and thermonuclear
weaponry. Do they end up launching these weapons against America or any other
power? I hope that cleared up my
points somewhat. Thanks, Dr.P.Light IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 12
December 2000 20:36 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To TT-0 "Show me the
money!" More impressive than the pix of your TT machine would be a clear
photo of your post 2000 pocket change and paper currency. IP: Logged Fast Member posted 12 December
2000 21:01 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- yes,im with shadow.show me
the money i remember reading
somewhere online that somebody met their future self and got a dollar's worth
of quarters from the future... did they ever finish the
50 State Quarters,or did war break out and they halted it?? Fast Out IP: Logged Time02112 Member posted 13 December
2000 03:15 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Count me in on that on
also (Good point) while your at it, why not
give us all a video, and provide us with a Link that would allow us to watch
online, demonstrating your machine in use? (perhaps as a parting
gift.) I still (patiently,
patiently, PATIENTLY) await answers to several previous questions. IP: Logged Trintius unregistered posted 13
December 2000 08:17 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TimeTravel_0 a few
questions, - Just wondering who
actually wins the US election, it's fair question and im assuming they have
Encyclopedia's in the year 2036 so you have no excuse for not knowing the
history of your own country? - Secondly, thanks to
national pride I must ask what becomes of Australia during and after the war? Thanks for your time. P.S - Dr Light stop
peppering the poor time traveler with monotonous questions about arabs and
jews, we all know you guys are gunna take over the world one day so theres no
need to rub it in IP: Logged TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 13
December 2000 12:44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well…it looks like the
election is almost over. I have been quite busy in the last few days and I appreciate
everyone’s patience. I should be thanking you for listening and even if
everything I have said before means nothing, I expect it has at least been
entertaining. I went through the postings looking for questions I have not
addressed yet. I hope I got to all of them. I get my email remotely through
about three different systems and I use one of your hand-held computer units to
write with. In a few days, I would like to send Pamela a list of questions of
my own. As you know, one of my areas of expertise is in history and the
information I have gathered has been invaluable. Although I am not leaving
right away, I would like to include some of your thoughts in my report. (Who's to say that someone
that will read this board, will be the one to actually invent the means for the
C204 (or other units) to be operational? The divergence factor is so low,
everybody will forget about this in a short time. I wouldn't worry about it
When Timetravel_0 goes back, this will be nothing but a memory...) This statement is quite
insightful. One of the reasons I have been communicating this way is so that
others that do not post who I have directed here can see some of the
information I have shared with you. (You speak of 1 & 2 %
"divergence" as being unimportant. I don't get it. Like for example
if OUR IBM5100 is 1% different than the code you have to run on it, it ain't
gonna work right. One percent in the FL vote count would be important. If I
could see only 99% of the cars on the road it would be important to me. So,
what exactly is X% divergent, and why is it not a major problem?) The divergence measurement
refers to the local gravitational field as compared to the point of origin. It
is mearly an empirical indicator of overall change in a world line. Some things
that are quite different on one world line have very little effect as time
passes and the world lines appear to “converge” again and look very similar.
World line changes are not exponential, they act more like chaotic attractors
with varying effect depending on their size and location. (Reading your posts I get
conflicting ideas about what effect our timeline has on yours. Didn't you say
that "another you" was here now as a two year old child? Is the
'Everret Many Worlds' interpretation of quantum mechanics it the correct one
then? You seem to look at us as representative of your ACTUAL predecessors.
There is something a bit unnerving about that. In fact the main reason why I
think you might be genuine is that I have trouble thinking LIKE you do. I would
expect this of an encounter with a "Chrono-alien".) You are correct in your
thinking. This world line is not mine but it looks very similar. It may be
compared to reading two books that are the same. I can jump back and forth
between them and still see the same story. I do not consider you true
representatives of my world line but I do know something of how the story ends.
In consideration of Everret-Wheeler, the reason we don’t know if Schrodinger’s
cat is dead is because it might have had a time machine. (Russia has
"ALWAYS" been considered the first Country, to be suspect of a
probable Nuclear Attack against the USA, and I, for one have NEVER relinquished
the thought that inevitably, this will happen while I remain alive to witness
this unfortunate tragedy come to fruition.) You are also correct but I
want to add a twist to your thinking. Russia’s enemy in the United States is
not you, the average person. Russia’s enemy is the United States government. (The fact that better
equipment is supposed to get the reverse-time traveler closer to their actual
past indicates that there is an ACTUAL SPECIFIC past that he is aiming for. So
if in practical application the traveler ends up 2% divergent upon arrival in
the past and if he stays in that line he finds that it is not a line at all,
but that going forward, divergence approaches infinity.) Yes, this is true. If I go
forward on this world line, the future will not be my future. I get home by
going back to 1975 before I arrived and then going forward to 2036. (Also if this theory is
correct we may be 2% divergent from TT_0 but going forward in this time line he
is 98% divergent from us. My logic is pretty good here, how's my facts?) Your deductions are quite accurate.
(I’m not stating yet that I did… but) what if I told you I did go forward to
“your” 2036 and it looks nothing like mine. It is quite possible. (BTW Someone just gave me
a working IBM 5160. Should I save it or toss it?) Toss it. The 5100 is the interesting
machine. (Does the events happening
in the Middle east concerning the Arabs and Jews have anything to do with the
coming war? I mean to say that since the Jewish population seems to have quite
considerable power now in 2000, would they mount a force against other
countries or am I under the belief that the war will result from the U.S
government election?(among other things).) Real disruptions in world
events begin with the destabilization of the West as a result of degrading US
foreign policy and consistency. This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil
unrest develops near the next presidential election. The Jewish population in
Israel is not prepared for a true offensive war. They are prepared for the
ultimate defense. Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel’s
neighbors the confidence to attack. The last resort for a defensive Israel and
it’s offensive Arab neighbors is to use weapons of mass destruction. In the
grand scheme of things, the war in the middle-east is a part of what’s to come,
not the cause. (What can you tell us
about "Space Time
Transposing" ?) Perhaps you could describe
what you mean? It appears to be space travel or the effect of similar atomic
particles that seem to be related over great distances. Again, please forgive
my ignorance, I am not a trained physist. (There is a foretelling of
a significant Time Divergence that is believed to occur during the year 2012
according to the ancient Mayans, yet you claim to be from 2034, and posses a
working Time Travel device... What can you tell us would happen to you, or
anyone else who were to use your device, or another one similar in capabilities
to travel to the yr. 2012???----------also I would like you to tell us what you
know, or have been told what takes place in "2112") In my 2012, I was 14 years
old spending most of my time living, running and hiding in the woods and rivers
of central Florida. The civil war was in its 7th year and the world war was
three years away. Yes, there are unusual events in 2012 but they do not cause
the world to end. Unfortunately, I have decided not to discuss events that you
or I can do anything about. It is important that they be a surprise. Perhaps
you are familiar with the story of the Red Sea and the Egyptians? (It’s no big secret among
those who are "In the Know" of our current world line’s attempts to
control the weather i.e. HAARP & Chemtrails, so What can you tell us about
the future of weather control such as the following... bronze flying globes that
float in the air over the earth, and are aligned in grid formations, and lasers
joining them together in the air, churning out snow storms, rain, or whatever
else they decide to induce, to be created in the given space provided???) I must admit I am
unfamiliar with most of what you have asked here. I am aware of the Harp system
but I don’t know how they would control weather with it. (What is the education
system like? For children? For adults? Is there more home schooling then there
is now. What are the class sizes like? Is there any emphasis on a subject or
subjects that are don't exist now?) The education system has
been through many changes. School in 2036 is no longer a political
indoctrination system and students “learn how to learn”. Since community
activity varies from place to place, the emphasis on basic reading, math and
language is augmented with skills particular to the community. One school may
emphasis farming while another teaches woodworking. Having children is a bit
different and less common in 2036. A typical school day involves a setting very
much like it was 100 years ago with smaller classes and few administrators to
teachers. Other areas of study that are less common now are history,
citizenship and personal economics. (Are you going to take
your family away with you to protect them from the coming events. Is this a
temptation for you? Aren't you worried about somebody finding your ship?) No I am not taking them
with me but I am trying to prepare them for the future as a promise to my
Grandfather in 1975. I am not really that concerned about the “time machine”.
It is quite safe. (How and why do the Arabs
Jews become entangled in the civil war of the U.S.A?) They are not directly
involved but political situations are dependant on Western stability, which
collapses in 2005. (Also about the Arab side
of affairs, they seem to be holding Biological weapons and thermonuclear
weaponry. Do they end up launching these weapons against America or any other
power? ) Not against America but
they are used against each other. ("Show me the
money!" More impressive than the pix of your TT machine would be a clear
photo of your post 2000 pocket change and paper currency.) I am disappointed that you
feel I am trying to impress you. Why would I bring money from 2036 with me?
Besides, isn’t that something that could easily be faked? Now if I told you I
was your cousin’s brother and I knew about that scare on your left leg…that
would convince you. (while your at it, why not
give us all a video, and provide us with a Link that would allow us to watch
online, demonstrating your machine in use? (perhaps as a parting
gift.) That is an interesting
idea. I will look into how to do that. IP: Logged Time02112 Member posted 13 December
2000 18:12 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- While your at it TT_0,
don't forget to place a v-cam inside with you, so we can observe the video
images that appear through your eyes as you travel, as well as another
observing yourself, and a third one outside of the field, observing you depart,
and return. I'm talking 3 V-Cams, to
give us these different observations with, which means you have to leave &
return to us, to deliver the images. This would be more
valuable than giving us picture of future money, also it would really be way
cool, if you could send us video images of the earth below, while observing
from an aircraft, what this future landscape of yours looks like, after this great
flood of the East & Western U.S. coastal areas that is supposed to take
place. IP: Logged Time02112 Member posted 13 December
2000 18:19 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BTW TT_0, whatever you can
arrange would be appreciated, if you cannot get access to an aircraft, you
"DO" have access to remote Sattalight imagery, so either way, you
must be capable of this permitting you have the free will to leave & return
as you wish. IP: Logged Curious unregistered posted 13
December 2000 19:03 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TT_O, an easy example (or
proof) would be to video tape the jump to 1975 and give the video recorder and
tape to your self (the you that has already been there/just arrived). That way
you don't have to jump back and fourth. The video tape and recorder would then
be availible to you now. you could send the tape to someone (when you leave, we
don't need any more time-loops).That way there is no danger of divergance in
this time-line. Just a thought. IP: Logged rgrunt@yahoo.com unregistered posted 13
December 2000 22:07 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear timetravel-0, Do you believe in the lord
Jesus Christ as your personal saviour? Would it be safe to assume that the
substance of time itself might be classified as the sum of two equal opposite
forces acting in direct canscelation? If the person or persons responcible for
the development of time travel technologies were posting on this sight would
you let them know that they were or are responsible. If so would you do so
directly or would you hint it only. Or would you use a third option that is to
be careful not to say anything that would point out the person or persons
responsible neither to the persons responsible themselves nor to the other
persons that are on this forum? In short will you say something a coded message
that the person or persons responsible only will be able to pick up on or recognize
to know that they are the ones responsible for the development of the
technologies. It can be anything that the person or persons will recognize as
indisputable evidence not as your being valid but as them being the ones
responcible for the development? If you are not willing to answer this please
just be straight forward about this and answer that you are unwilling to let
the persons no who they are. If you have any questions as to my identity ask
pamela for she knows who I am and is free to oblige you the information. If you
wish to answer this privately even if the answer is no fill free to e-mail me
at rgrunt@yahoo.com . I believe that is all the questions I have for know
please have a good trip back and thanks for visiting our time line it has been
an honor. On behalf of us all I welcome you to return any time you wish.
Goodluck and Godspeed. Live long and live well. sincerely, Lcpl Edwin Gary Schasteen
U.S.M.C. Active IP: Logged pamela Member posted 13 December
2000 23:52 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Here are Timetraveler_0's
questions to everyone on the forum that he sent to me. ) TTO: Sure thing, here are your
questions. my answers follow. sincerely, pamela Dear Pamela, In my last posting, I said
I would come up with questions of my own and send them to you to post. I
would appreciate it if you would do that and answer them yourself. I would
like to include the opinions of the people I have met in my report when I return
home. Thanks for the help. 1. According to the
Constitution, who do you think has the final word on choosing a President and
why? 2. Do you think the
Electoral College should be continued? 3. Why do you think the
Bill of Rights was written? 4. What is your opinion of
the second amendment to the Bill of Rights? 5. Does anyone know what
industry is the largest US political contributor? 6. Does anyone know who
owns the majority of the solar power research and development companies? 7. Imagine you have all
the money and power you desire. What do you see yourself doing? 8. What is the longest
distance you ever ran and/or walked at one time without stopping? 9. What is the longest
period of time you went without food? 10. Do you know what Cholera
is and how to avoid getting it? TTO: To tell you the truth
politics never really interested me that much...until now. As I can see now how
the curruption of it can ruin an entire nation. So I don't really have a
lot of info in that area. My interests were more in Medical research and other
areas of science. Infact I only became interested in timetravel and quantum
physics because of the many experiences I started having as I have shared some
of those with you. But I will answer the best I can.(good thing I printed out
the constitution and the bill of rights! ) (1. According to the
Constitution, who do you think has the final word on choosing a President and
why? 2. Do you think the
Electoral College should be continued?) I think the people should
have the final word on who should become president. whover has the most votes
should win. (I had to go back and add
this...I think every last vote should count. absolutely none thrown out.a
system should be in place to eliminate ballots that cannot be read such as if
the chad is not fully pierced you should see a light blink and maybe a small beeping
sound heard to redo it. I think a whole new voting system is needed.) (3. Why do you think the
Bill of Rights was written?) To protect the rights of
the people and to keep them free. (4. What is your opinion
of the second amendment to the Bill of Rights?) I beleive it is to keep
the government from becoming corrupt and taking over and enslaving the people
under tyranny. (5. Does anyone know what
industry is the largest US political contributor? 6. Does anyone know who
owns the majority of the solar power research and development companies?) sorry, I dont know the
answer to these two questions. (7. Imagine you have all
the money and power you desire. What do you see yourself doing?) Hmmm, Im not really a
power, money hungry person. but if I had more money my heart will still be in
helping other people. The greatest joy is knowing you've made a difference in
someone elses life. That you played a part in creating a ripple of good that
ripples out from generation to generation. every time you help someone you not
only help them but every person they touch from that moment on. I'd probably be
more free to do more research. and make new and exciting discoveries. Id spend
more time doing things that mattered for eternity and not just to pay bills and
taxes. Id also be more free to learn,explore and grow. as well as helping
others do so. one thing I would get
though...I would DEFINETELY get a new computer!! (HEEEHEE) mines a piece of
crap! I could stay on longer before it crashed or freezed up on me with an
error message! (8. What is the longest
distance you ever ran and/or walked at one time without stopping?) hmmm without stopping at
ALL? I dont know. I walked a 20 mile
walkathon once. (I think for cerebral palsy, or muscular dystrophy) I dont think we stopped
much but we stop at the little boothes they had set up along the way to get
water to drink. (9. What is the longest
period of time you went without food?) 4 days. (10. Do you know what
Cholera is and how to avoid getting it?) Cholera is an acute
bacterial infection of the small intestine. The disease is caused by
water and food that have been contaminated by feces of persons previously
infected. The symptoms are caused by toxic substances produced by the infecting
organism which mostly causes watery diarrhea and depletes the body of fluids
and minerals. How to avoid getting it?
There is currently a cholera vaccine available for people traveling to areas
where the infection is endemic. Other preventive measures
you could take would include drinking only boiled or bottled water and
eating only cooked foods. Treatment includes
administration of antibiotics to destroy the infecting bacteria and to restore
the fluids and electrolytes with intravenous solutions. sincerely, pamela [This message has been
edited by pamela (edited 14 December 2000).] IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 14
December 2000 10:01 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If an advertisement is a
snow job then public education is a fullblown blizzard. We are for example
tought in high school that there are *THREE* branches of government. There are
*FOUR* branches of government in the US. The fourth being "We the People*.
To say that that fact gets "glossed over" would be quite the
understatement. Every citizen of the US is an official part of the the Official
Government. HOWEVER we get to vote only once every two years and it seems that
even then our overlings have a bit too much trouble "counting" the
votes. What was the catch word
last election? "Disenfranchised". Don't they friggen wish. The People
will be heard from.....sooner or later. IP: Logged TimeMaster 1a Member posted 14 December
2000 10:54 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is an article in
Discover magazine that express physicist Julian Barbour theorizes of time.
Anyone searching for an understanding of the true nature of time would do well
to read this article. Barbour is a theoretical physics that has devoted nearly
40 years to the study of time. There are also links to his home page at
discover.com, look under current issue. IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 14
December 2000 21:13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Question #7 What would I
do with plenty of money & power? First I build a bomb shelter, then think
about it. Oh yeah, TT-0, just
supposing I do have a scar on my left leg, *exactly* where would it be located?
And wouldn't my cousins' brother just be another cousin? You got me on the pocket
change. If one were not trying to prove anything I guess they would have left
their wallet in the future. But doesn't that mean that you would have to bring
some antique money back here with you? Like when I go to France I can buy
Franks when I get there. But if one were to exchange 2036 dollars for 2000
dollars ..... well lets just say they wouldn't be going anywhere for a while. Ok, so gold is gold and
that would solve the exchange problem. IP: Logged earthship Junior Member posted 15
December 2000 02:26 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TT 0 Time - I don't believe it
actually exists. Or rather, it exists as a series of "now moments"
for eternity (that's a paradox if i ever saw one). My question is; SHOULD we
try to avoid this pending calamity (ww3) in our future? It seems that to bring
about true change, some growing pains are needed to be experienced. IP: Logged Dr Light unregistered posted 16
December 2000 02:48 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To- Trintius .....Damn straight...!!! (laughs) Operation Domination is in
action!! P.S----To any American
posting here... Exactly how many Americans
voted for the president out of the entire U.S.A? Thanks for
your...(ahem)..."time" Dr.P.Light IP: Logged pamela Member posted 16 December
2000 03:56 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey! Hows come nobody but
me has taken the time to answer timetraveler_0's questions? Do you really think that
is fair? He has tried to answer all
of our questions. he only asked ten. we have
asked him alot. shadow answered one. sincerely, pamela IP: Logged djayr42 Member posted 16 December
2000 17:08 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some answers for TT_0: 1. According to the
Constitution, who do you think has the final word on choosing a President and
why? I would say that the
senate could use article 1 section 3 and appoint a president pro tem. or they
can use the 20th amendment section 3. this could have been used in the recent
case and a run off election could have been done. 2. Do you think the
Electoral College should be continued? Yes, it can disagree with
the popular vote. I thought the popular vote was more democratic. 3. Why do you think the
Bill of Rights was written? To preserve order and
protect the people and to give them a sense of participation in the formation
of policy in government. 4. What is your opinion of
the second amendment to the Bill of Rights? It seems as though I
suffer from being myopic as well, the right to bear arms is all I ever heard. I
think it has been taken out of context as an excuse to have a gun and do
anything you want with it. I think there should be some sort of responsibility
amendment. 5. Does anyone know what
industry is the largest US political contributor? I thought it was the
tobacco industry. 6. Does anyone know who
owns the majority of the solar power research and development companies? Other major power
companies, P.G.+E, Con Edison. Dow Chemical also is in there. 7. Imagine you have all
the money and power you desire. What do you see yourself doing? Two things. Manufacturing
electric cars - the right way. Research in my own lab. 8. What is the longest
distance you ever ran and/or walked at one time without stopping? Along time ago, 15 miles -
a walk-a-thon for muscular dystrophy. More recently, 1 mile to and from work. I
like to see the stars in the early morning while going to work. 9. What is the longest
period of time you went without food? 7 days, just to see if I
could. 24 hours no water no food, 168 hours no sleep. Not in that order and not
all at once :-) 10. Do you know what
Cholera is and how to avoid getting it? Not sure on this one. I
think it has something to do with un-purified water. You would need to boil the
water or add a purifying agent to it. Hows that Pam? :-)) [This message has been
edited by djayr42 (edited 16 December 2000).] IP: Logged pamela Member posted 16 December
2000 21:04 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- djayr42, Ok,.. I feel a little
better now. ) -pamela IP: Logged Trintius unregistered posted 16
December 2000 23:10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Dr
Light Exactly how many Americans
voted for the president out of the entire U.S.A? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shouldn't be 'how many
Americans voted for the correct president Amazing country though,
they've proved - - They can't design ballot
papers - They can't read ballot
papers - They can't use ballot
papers - They can't count - They don't want to count - They file law suits
against each other because they can't count - It takes them 2 months
to elect a head of state - Their head of state
can't read ballot papers or count - etc etc etc IP: Logged Time02112 Member posted 17 December
2000 17:21 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What ever happened to
"Exentuate The Positive" ?? Frankly, I've heard enough
negativity as to what we "Cannot" do, or what others have
"Failed" to do. Why not discuss what we "Can" do, or what
we can attempt to do that may lead to success in spite of all these failures? IP: Logged pamela Member posted 17 December
2000 20:24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trintius: America may have some
problems ,as all countries do, but its still a great country. its a beautiful country. I always liked this
popular song: "I am proud to be an
American where atleast I know Im
free and I honor those that
fought to give that right to me. And I'd gladly stand up
next to them and defend her still
today, There aint no country like
it, God bless the USA!" Its unethical to down
someone elses country infront of them. Almost everybody is proud of their own
countries. no matter what has happened in the past.Iam sure you are proud of
Australia. Changes may need to be made here but I still love America. I agree with you Time02112
I would much rather think on the positive. sincerely, pamela IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 17
December 2000 20:40 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TT-0 I think you know very well
the answers to the questions you have asked. You just want to guage the quality
of our replies, or just remind us that we SHOULD be up to speed on our
constitutional rights and responsibilities. A young person should want
to survive and live for better days ahead. At some point, however, an older
person will realize, especially in the face of disaster, that better days are
NOT on the horizon.......ever. What you are forcasting for 95% of the present
population is 20 years of hell followed by survivors in the rubble. I've
already put in my 40 year shift of work and worry. Why should we fret over
politics on our way to slaughter? Isn't that like telling the Captain of the
Titanic, that all he has to do to save the ship is to back up really fast after
the collision? It was obvious 5 to 10
YEARS ago that we've been SOLD OUT. For us, the game is over. I should offer an
excuse for apathy? It should do for a reason at least. Actually TT-O, maybe in
you we can see that eventually SOMEBODY finds their friggin guts and puts an
end to the madness. IP: Logged pamela Member posted 17 December
2000 23:38 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't give up shadow. even
in the midst of caos there is always hope. our end doesnt have to be like his
end. there are some people even
as we speak that are actively making a time machine. If this outcome for us
would actually be true we have time on are side now. the outcome of this time
is UNKNOWN. If there is one
timetraveler.. there are many. we can change the future,
Shadow. next comes the brave souls
that are willing to try. as he said when he uses
his machine that going to another time line or dieing is both equally accepted. How brave are we? I am not
afraid of dieing. I have done it before. When the time comes....I
will go. I will be willing to go
and make it right. [This message has been
edited by pamela (edited 18 December 2000).] IP: Logged Dr Light unregistered posted 18
December 2000 01:23 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Trintius, You do not realise how
long i laughed after reading that post but let me assure you I found it....
mildly ammusing. Thank you. I will be back with more
questions for T-T0 later in the week Dr.P.Light IP: Logged Fast Member posted 19 December
2000 09:53 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- for all we know,it was
TT-0 who indirectly started the war.perhaps the TT-0 who traveled to HIS
timeline was captured and they assimilated his General Electric Time Machine
which spurred the war? when did he say the war
started,btw. Fast Out IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 19
December 2000 11:28 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pamela, Thanks for the encouraging
words. I do lean to the dark side. It comes from hours, days, and years of
"partial successes". I'm sorry to hear that you
keep dieing all over the place. Fortunately I haven't had a lot of practice at
it lately. But do keep up the good work, you are the heart & soul of this
board. I rank no higher than jestser and deservidly so. IP: Logged pamela Member posted 19 December
2000 15:12 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shadow, I know you are much more
than that! I have read your postings on this forum. They are very intelligent
and insightful. I don't keep dying over
and over but I have had a near death experience. And it has erased my fear of
death. I know there is much more to this world than what we can see. sincerely, pamela IP: Logged pamela Member posted 20 December
2000 01:24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think it was interesting
as I was reading my NEWSWEEK I received today on page 55. in the article
"36 days:The Fallout" were these words in a box
amongst all the little boxes of pictures. "After this story, what could come next to keep the spoiled media beast interested? civil war? " just had to share that
with you. sincerely, pamela IP: Logged Fast Member posted 20 December
2000 19:50 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- last night i felt
terrible,and had a fever.i fell asleep at 9PM and slept until 2PM this
afternoon. during my sleep,i had a
dream of me,in my English Class.my english teacher brought her child to
school.her child had been a government experiment gone wrong.they had tried to
combine oranges and a baby to make an orange baby.her baby had orange hair with
a blue stripe down the middle,and had orange skin and orange-blue spiral
eyes.my grandmother was also in the dream and she said we had all came from
potatos anyway.my mother was there too and she said 'why are there still
potatos here if we came from them,and why would we be eating them?' then i woke up... is it possible to have
acid flashbacks while your asleep?? IP: Logged mokrie dela Member posted 21 December
2000 01:44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes IP: Logged DaViper unregistered posted 21
December 2000 04:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Paradox", as an
English word, has it's origins in Latin and Greek. But alas, it is still just
a word in any language, regardless of how it is spoken, ancient or modern. And
thus a verbal utterance that represents the conveyance of a concept. As all
words are. Generally, it refers to
the "idea" of the existence of a problem that has no solution. But again alas, this is
nothing but an invention of the mind of man. Nothing that actually occurs in
the Universe. There are no paradoxes in
the Universe. The so called
"grandfather" paradox has not, does not, and cannot ever occur simply
because the situation that defines it is not possible in the first place. There
is no past where/when your "grandfather" is "alive" for you
to ever encounter. Any more than there is a future where your
"grandson" travels back from to encounter you. If there is "Time
Travel", it requires much more sophisticated concepts than this simple
non-existant "problem". And... The so called
"twins" paradox is actually not a paradox at all once one understands
the idiosyncrasies of Relativity. Many think they do, but few actually do.
Those who consider the "twins" paradox to actually BE a paradox, are
among those who don't. Hint: Think about what
constitutes a "year", as opposed to watching the hands of your
wristwatch move. Remember, "year" is again a word that conveys the
concept of a single revolution of the Earth around the Sun. Both "twins, the
Earthbound one AND the travelling one will still have lived in a Universe where
the Earth went around the Sun the SAME number of times. The traveler's BIOLOGICAL
clock would run slower, as do physical clocks under the circumstances, but the
Earth will have orbited the Sun the SAME number of times from BOTH of their
points of view! Even while the traveler's watch ran slower. Time dilation, as a proven
effect of differing relative velocities may be an unusual idiosyncracy inherent
in the properties of relativity, but... There is no paradox here. And it most certainly does
not constitute Time travel in and of itself. There is no paradox
ANYWHERE in the Universe for that matter. How could there be? The very concept is itself
absurd. A mind game. A modernist mythology. Right up there with Jupiter
governing the Universe from Mt. Olympus, or Noah's Ark. You believe in the
"Great Flood" perhaps. Gee, where did all the water come from?
(Descended from nowhere out of space?) Where did it go? (Evaporated back into
nothingness into space?) Do you have any idea how much water it would take to
cover the Earth up to the top of Mt. Everest and beyond? Or how thick the cloud
cover would have to be that contained the water that constituted the rain that
had to have fallen to make a flood THAT big? About as much as it takes
to drown the idea that "paradoxes" actually exist, from my
calculation. Peace. IP: Logged -------------------- Got light? Make matter. pamela2@raex.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 985 | From: U.S.A |
Registered: Apr 2001 | IP: Logged
Pamela Moderator Member # 15 posted December 25, 2002 16:11 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Time-travel Paradoxes!
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Paradoxes! TimeTravel_0 unregistered posted 21
December 2000 10:59 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DaViper Very interesting argument
but I have a couple of questions. You described the word paradox as, “…it
refers to the "idea" of the existence of a problem that has no solution.”
Actually, the #1 definition I read in the American Heritage Dictionary is “…a
seemingly contradictory statement that may nonetheless be true”, Also, what exactly is your
definition of “time travel”? I was taught that time travel is strictly a local
observation that can only be measured by the experience of an individual or
single particle. Under that definition, the “twin paradox” (time dilation due
to acceleration or gravity) and even sleeping can be considered time travel.
You appear to be arguing against dematerialization and/or spacelike trips under
the limits of special relativity in a single worldline. I do agree that the
“grandfather paradox” is not possible simply because the classic problem is
presented as an observer’s issue magnified to a universal issue. Your
statements about observation are correct when you isolate the experiences to a
single worldline. However, the reason there are no paradoxes is because the
universe doesn’t care how we react to its handy-work. In a Universe made up of
infinite worldliness (superuniverse), everything is possible and has a 100%
probability, therefore…no paradoxes. “You believe in the
"Great Flood" perhaps. Gee, where did all the water come from?” I believe the explanation
for the “great flood” stories originate with the changes that occurred near the
Mediterranean at the end of the last ice age. Even on this worldline, there is
a great deal of evidence to support the fact that sea levels did change
radically in isolated areas worldwide. I also heard someplace that if the ice
mass on Antarctica melted today, sea level worldwide would rise about 100 feet.
I’m not exactly sure that’s true but still… Mt. Everest might be a bit of a
stretch. I do however agree with
you that there are no physical paradoxes but for the opposite reasoning. Peace to you also. IP: Logged mokrie dela Member posted 21 December
2000 18:42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also flooding could easily
occur with monsoon rains lasting anywhere past 5 days in a region of low
ground. And don't forget in those days, "the world" was defined as
that small region only. These people had never been to Switzerland! (Hi Time,
missed you you ole rattle snake.) IP: Logged Time02112 Member posted 22 December
2000 12:06 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone ever heard of
"Pangia" it referrs to when the
earth, or "Gia" was once pne singl large body of land. when I find more info on
this latter, I will edit this post, and include the links. meanwile if anyone
else wishes to make any additional comments about pangia, and how the water
vovered the remaining 3/4 of the land mass around the geosphere, please by all
means, share with us what you have to offer. What do you suppose would
happen during the next "Great Flood" now that the former Pangia is
broken into the current continetal land structures of today's earth? ~just a thought~ p)'i4q4 IP: Logged mokrie dela Member posted 22 December
2000 15:28 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's right Time, I also
heard that origionally the continent of Africa was connected to America by a
connecting land mass. I believe that's part of the Atlantis theory, that it was
the connecting land. I know there are some incredible things underwater off of
Biminy. (can't spell it or find it) There are huge greek collums with huge
hands at the top holding some sort of ball. Also what looks like roads made of
hand cut flat stones that would break a fork lift. What I would'nt give to time
travel to before that sunk and see it it all it's glory. It's must have been
beautiful beyond comprehension. IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 22
December 2000 21:16 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I had a flashback once,
not too long ago, just a few seconds ago in fact. It had to be a flashback. I
saw a former Governor of Texas, Bush I believe, saying "I wish I were a
dictator but this is not a dictatorship!" Also he mentioned something to
the effect of "You are aware of the fact that any resession that may come
along next year or so, is Bill's fault, really." FWEEEEET! Hey pal, can I
intrest you in a little tax cut? Very popular in this election year you know.
(Hey babe you wanna count some ballots? Your dimples are soooo cute."
"Chad, I think I might be pregnant.") If I'm laid off do I still get
my multimillion dollar tax cut, huh Gorge? Huh Huh? George? GEORGE!!??........".just
wait your turn sir, the President Elect is busy playing with his yo-yo right
now." This only thing missing out of national politics righ now is a Ryder
rental truck full of whoopie cushions. Yes, speaking of The
Flood. The real flood can't hold a candle to the flood of bull**** that is
commin down the pike these days. Are they TRYING to whizz us off, or do they
deserve an Oscar for acting as thought they were. There are other possible
explainations. Like Terminal Stupidity. Or the desire for population reduction
(you). Or how about creepy aliens, time traveling spooks, or maybe even that
half spoiled turkey sandwich you had for lunch. Of coarse the screamingly
hysterical part of it is that they act like we ain't supposed to notice. Right.
"Waiter, check please!" IP: Logged mokrie dela Member posted 22 December
2000 21:35 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's ok, we can wait while
you extract that wild hair from your butt. IP: Logged pamela Member posted 22 December
2000 22:59 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DaViper, Just because you cannot
figuere out where the water came from for the Great Flood is not a good enough
reason to conclude that it never took place. In the ancient lore and
legend of every culture you will find a story of a disasterous flood. These
accounts vary but in distant parts of the world these stories agree on one
point. far back in history there was a catacylmsmic flood which wiped out all
but a handful of people. From the indians of north
and south america to the Islanders of the Pacific and from the chinese to
atleast 40 aborigional races we find the elements of a great flood described. Geologists of today all
over the Earth find a layer of sediment which gives evidence of a worldwide
flood. There are several
different theories of where the water might have come from. Here is the one I have
heard: The Earth had quite a
different climate before and after the flood. for in Geneisis 2:5-6 it
states that the lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth...but there
went up a mist from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground. They argued that Genesis
1:6 described God seperating the waters on the earth from the waters above the
Earth. which could describe a canopy of water vapor.Our Earth could have been
in effect a giant canopy enclosed garden watered by gentle mists which came out
of the ground from the reservoirs of water below the surface. If the Earth before the
flood had been surrounded by a canopy of water vapor above the Troposphere it
would have compressed the air beneath and raised the average atmospheric
pressure, just how much would depend on how much water the canopy contained. This increased pressure could
have resulted in a greater oxidation rate, a much more efficient metabolism and
stronger, healthier people. The sheilding of water
vapor canopy could have eliminated almost all genetic mutation from the harmful
solar radiation. there would be benefits of
living under increased atmospheric pressure. During the aquanaut program it was
discovered a cut on a aquanauts hand healed completely in 24 hours while
submerged in a diving bell. back then the current land
mass was joined together in a hugh continent. The Earth before the flood
was a single land mass riding on a blanket of superheated steam and with an
overhead curtain of water vapor protecting it from harmful solar rays. After the flod the vapor
canopy was gone the Earths climate was changed. Atmospheric pressure
dropped to what it is today. without the water vapor
canopy the Earth received more radiation from the sun and genetic mutations
occured. mans lifespan was greatly reduced. and they obviosly didnot live as
long after the flood. the other theory that goes
with it sometimes is "the fountains of the deep" were also let
lose.Gen 7:11 Which combined with the collapse of the water vapor canopy.
produced a great amount of water.the ripping apart of the crust would have
triggered tsunamis of unparalleled magnitude, sweeping the Earth with walls of
water from the existing oceans. The initial rupture of the
earths crust would have spewed a tremendous jet of super heated steam high
above the earths ionosphere. the vapor blanket resting on the air above the
Earth would have been overwhelmed by the intensity and heat of this supersonic
blast and would have collapsed as sheets of worldwide rain. The jet of water which
gushed high above the earths atmosphere would have encountered frigid
temperatures converting the water almost instantly to ice crystals. When the water vapor
canopy which covered the Earth up to that point collapsed in rain, ending the
green house effect, the temperatures on earth would have been reduced to much
the same as they are today. immediately after the flood, the ice crystals
formed high above the earths stratosphere would have fallen, dumping immense
quantities of ice on the earths polar regions and northern latiitudes. This
would explain an enigma which has long perplexed the discovery of animals which
had been quick frozen in siberia and alaska some still with undigested food in
their stomaches and mouths. there had to be an abrupt
and extremely sudden change in temperature, from near tropical to extreme cold
within a matter of minutes. I kept this in my mind.
and a couple of years ago i saw an article in the newspaper where scientists
had found a couple miles long of watervapor in the upper atmosphere that was
forming over a specific area and they didnt know what it was doing up there. If
i find the article i will post it I did cut it out and save it. nobody knows for sure
where the water came from and can only theorize but there was plenty of
evidence that it took place. I have read several scientific theories of the
water vapor canopy. I could go on and on but i just dont have time. I have
several books that mention it. I just pulled a few things out of the books for
you to think on.This is just one of several theories I have heard. sincerely, pamela IP: Logged mokrie dela Member posted 23 December
2000 12:31 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wow, what can be added to
that! I do recall reading that "radiolaria", a fossilized form of
tiny sea life has been found in layers of dirt at high elevations in the
darndest places around the earth. I know nothing of bibical things but when you
find petrofied itty bitty fishies in mountain ranges, something incredible
happened involving a whole lot of water. IP: Logged earthship Junior Member posted 23
December 2000 12:49 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for that Pamela. Has anyone read "An
Ascension Handbook," channeled material from Serapis, by Tony Stubbs ?
Lots of interesting ideas in there. warren IP: Logged pamela Member posted 23 December
2000 19:02 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well ,I found the article
but unfortunately I didnot cut out the date with it. It was in the Repository
Newspaper . the author is Randolph E. Schmid associate press writer.
here it is word for word: VAPOR FLOWS FOUND IN THE
ATMOSPHERE ___________________________________ WASHINGTON- Massive rivers
of vapor, some carrying as much water as the Amazon, have been discovered in
the lower atmosphere. Reginald E. Newell, of the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said thursday he was surprised to find
the flows while analyzing satellite data. His findings are reported
in Geophysical Research Letters, published by the American Geophysical Union. A half-dozen vapor rivers
carry water from the equator toward the poles in relatively narrow streams,
Newell explained in a telephone interview. "I expected to see
things following air masses, which usually have much larger horizontal widths.
The fact that it's concentrated was a surprise to us. " said Newell. The
flows "look like a river," he said. The newly discovered
rivers do follow these general principles, but move the moisture in narrow
streams rather than having it spread out over a large air mass. They seem to generally
trend toward the poles, Newell explained, though he has found a couple of cases
in which the stream encounters a typhoon,"gets entangled in itself and
goes back equatorwards." The rivers also display
waves in their movement, he said, though why this should occur is not clear. The researchers calculated
the length of some of these rivers of vapor at as much as 4,800 miles with a
width of 420 to 480 miles. What does this mean to the
world's weather and climate? Newell and his associates are trying to figure
that out. "We haven't solved
the relation between these rivers and fronts, highs and lows and the rest of
the synoptic (weather) pattern," Newell said. IP: Logged Shadow unregistered posted 23
December 2000 20:08 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morkie! Hair extracted. I'm much
better now. Thank you. Hear no evil. see no evil,
speak no evil. WHEN will I EVER learn? WE do digress from time
travel don't we. The earth is going to fall over any minute now........scratch
that.........any TIME now. My theory on Earth Changes
was dismissed because it "rested on shakey ground". I too will wait
for a time. IP: Logged mokrie dela Member posted 24 December
2000 12:14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shadow, Don't feel bad, I
live on shakey ground myself. As they used to say, you threw a hissy fit. HAHA
We take turns on this board. Your always interesting with or without hairs; and
your opinion in always important wether provable or not. Heck, I never shut up
and I can't prove anything myself. IP: Logged djayr42 Member posted 24 December
2000 15:12 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well as far as I can tell,
it seems that only two of us here are willing to answer TT_0's questions.
(Three - Shadow answered at least one question.) What's wrong? Are you afraid
of being judged in some way? Most of the people who post here on this forum
seem to enjoy playing around (and sometimes bickering and putting each other
down). So what is the problem? It seems as though when you find out someone is
observing you and says so, you clam up. Yes I know that implies that you
believe his claims or you don't think he is worth responding to. Yet most of
you will take the time to bicker. You could just tell him that you don't want
to answer any of his questions. You can't even do that instead you will ignore
those questions and write a lengthy reply to someone else just to get your
point of view across. Well that is what TT_0 is asking for. Why do you find so
hard to answer him? It implies that you believe him more then your willing to
admit. And you don't like the idea of being classified by an observer from a
future time. I think he is right, on the whole, "sheep" - bickering
sheep. Ok, you can blast me by being honest in answering TT_0 questions. (That
is the only basting that is acceptable.) IP: Logged pamela Member posted 24 December
2000 16:52 |
